Where did you get this idea from? >> Discord. So, I left the products in the in the car and then I would just scan the $1 thing and then just throw it in the bag. >> Oh, okay. You have the right to remain silent. >> On March 5th, 2025, a Villa Park, Illinois officer was called into a store's loss prevention office. The complaint, a scan and swap scheme worth roughly $420. Here's how it worked. Scan a $1 item, bag something worth 10 times more. Repeat that enough times and a few receipts become hundreds of dollars in stolen merchandise. >> Hello. So, come on. Hello. What's going on? >> Uh >> I tagged What was it called? >> Ticket switching. >> Okay. >> I I ticket switched She had about $420 worth of stuff in here and these are the receipts she had. >> Okay. >> I'm going to have to try it like >> So, this is what This is what she switched it to? >> Yes. >> And what is it technically? >> $422. >> She she's uh doing this. >> Okay, cool. Does she have So, does she Is this what she purchased? Cuz I got to take photos. >> She hasn't purchased yet because because due to that, she purchased $106 worth. You know what I mean? >> Got you. Yeah, I know. >> Did you want me to >> I'm just trying to figure out what's actually hers and what I have to photo. >> Oh, I got you. I got you. Well, what we were going to do is refund her the thing and then see if she wanted to pay for the rest. She said she wanted to take some stuff off. Uh so, I said, "You know what? Before we do this, let me get the police because this is the price." >> Okay. Are all these things re-ticketed? Everything up there that's in here? >> like. I don't know if you have like I know I saw some hand soap there. Um I don't know. It looks like there's just a whole bunch of stuff there. This was uh was uh zapped instead of other stuff. >> Okay. >> So, technically, we She's she's going to refund it all first. Uh that way you kind of have a full understanding of what the what the real amount is, I guess. >> Okay. >> Um but so I guess if we do the math it's >> like she was she was doing infa shoes infa shoes infa shoes but it wasn't infa shoes was I'm making it up. It was like that. I know it's Okay, cool. All right. >> Did you have the ticket that in your hand you just kept like this or did you just have the product and you just zapped everything multiple times? >> Yeah. >> Okay, she zapped the product what you did one of the scans. >> Scanned it, yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me go get >> So you just basically held onto the product in your hand, scanned and then put something else in the bag, scanned the scanned it again, put something else in the bag. >> Uh I left the products in the in the car and then I would just scan the $1 thing and then just throw them in the bag. >> Oh, okay. >> Let me go see if she's got that receipt for us. >> No problem. Give an idea on you? Oh, he has it? >> Yeah. >> Who's the gentleman that's outside? >> My brother. >> Is that your brother? Okay. >> Yeah. >> You guys drive here? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you guys live around here? >> Uh Berkeley. >> Where? >> Berkeley. >> Berkeley, okay. >> Yeah. >> Have you been arrested before? First time? Where'd you get this idea from? Discord? What's Discord? >> It's well, a lot of people use it for um primarily gaming online gaming, but you could use it for literally anything like book clubs. That's what I use it for. Um my friend actually gave me the idea. So I I was like I was >> All right. >> Yeah, he said I should just like >> Loss prevention didn't need a chase. A real-time scan monitoring system flagged the mismatch instantly. In Illinois, $400 crosses a real legal line. Retail theft over $300 is not a misdemeanor. Under 720 ILCS 5/16-25, it's a class 3 felony, up to 5 years in prison. She was about to hand investigators everything they needed to prove every dollar of it. >> Just getting the actual receipt. >> [snorts] >> You don't have to take photos of all this. I'm good. >> You good? >> Yeah. >> Okay, good, man. >> Yeah, I got it. Why is there two receipts? >> Um, cuz I made like two trips cuz I got a few things and then I forgot to get like the coffee creamer, the dish soap, and then the bags that I wanted. So, I had to make two trips. >> Did you leave? >> No, I never >> People are stealing. >> My brother did, though. >> Okay. >> I told him to wait in the car. >> I want to read it so I'll just write down her name. >> Yeah, and I told the police officers that her brother is outside the door there waiting for her. And >> Yeah. >> I'm not sure how much she had involved with it. >> Nothing. It's just her there. What's uh What's your last name? >> Williams. W I L >> Okay. A W I L L I E M S? First name? >> Doreena. D O R E N A. >> E N A? >> Mhm. >> Middle initial? >> Uh E or Y. So, I think it's so Y. >> You're not sure if you have a middle initial? >> No, I do. I just don't know if it starts with an E or a Y. It's a vowel and a vowel. >> Okay. What's your uh date of birth? Address? >> Butterfield Road. In Berkeley. >> Is that a house or apartment? >> House. Do you need the zip? >> Uh Give me 1 second. You said 6016 Butterfield Road, right? >> Yes. >> All right, what's the zip? >> Uh 60163. >> Is your brother's last name the same? >> Yeah, Williams. He's not like causing any trouble outside. >> No. No, but he's he's with you, so they're going to want his information as well. What's uh his first name? He's not in any trouble, though. >> Okay. Uh it's Christopher with a K. >> So K R or K H? >> Uh K R. >> And then K R I S T O P H E R? >> Uh F. >> K R I? >> Uh K R I S F. >> There's no T? >> Let me see. Um It's Yeah, T O F. Christopher. Yeah. >> And then on the show? >> He didn't actually Uh I think I think it's Michael. So what? >> What's his date of birth? >> Yes, he does. >> What's his number? >> Uh Let me check. >> Was he aware that you're doing this? >> Yes. No, he just found out when I told him. >> Give me the address >> Sorry. >> Thank you. All right. Your piece keeps like blasting in my ear. >> Can I get a unit number for the trouble with the Wi-Fi? >> [snorts] >> Did you get your two names? >> [clears throat] >> Last name Williams, w i l l i a m s. First name is First name is Dorina, delta oscar romeo echo november alpha. Possible middle initial of y yankee. Subject should should be out of Berkeley. >> [clears throat] >> How long you been in Berkeley for? >> How long? I don't really like you. I I want to say around six months. >> This is the stuff that we're going to refund her. >> Okay. This is what I need though, right? >> Yeah, that's that's the correct total. >> And that's all this stuff here that's here, right? All right, I got to take photos of it. >> Okay. >> Where do we do that? >> Um you want me to just dump it out or Oh, no, you got to do it the way spread it out. >> it's got to be spread out. Should we take it out to a line? >> Yeah, let's do that. >> All right. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> No. Christopher, you got any idea on your end? You're not in any trouble. They just want to identify who she was with, that's all. Cuz you were with her when this happened. But you're not in any trouble, hon. My partner's going to get that for you. She doesn't know his full brother's name. Well, we never found the the guy. >> No? >> No, hi. Went to the house. Sending officer to the house. Uh the the girlfriend or wife, whoever she is, opened the door. Said his name was Gemma. I'm okay, yeah. Gave me her phone number. But uh yeah, didn't give me his number, didn't give the officer his information. She didn't know his last name. >> That's >> So, unfortunately, [clears throat] that's how far we got with that. Oh, sorry Sorry, we need to Oh, we can do it here, man. You can come here. Thanks. >> No, we're just going to open it up. Just going to take pictures. >> Oh, okay. All right. Tired. Today is not my day. Since this morning, it's just been draining. Yeah. I know, that's what it is. I'm going to blame it on the weather. >> Yeah. >> Why not say I didn't do my I hate when they say that. What do you think? >> I know. >> You see? >> Yeah, it should be in there. >> Oh. >> I mean, she's cooperating, I'll give her that. >> Good. You want me to write you a receipt? >> You want the money from the What's that? >> You want the money from the other one? >> Yes. >> You want it direct to the card or cash or how do you want it? Leave it in the seat. >> Uh >> Yeah, all of it needs to be done in the office. Can I go grab them? >> Yeah, you want me to grab them for you? >> I don't know. You want me to give you some money? >> Yeah. >> I don't have nothing. So, how did you guys catch him in the act? >> Well, I was watching her when she came in. She just looked She just looked a little awkward, but when she came to the register the register, okay. She She must have I didn't see her pocket anything. Uh but then um Tammy noticed that hey, wait a minute. That purse is more than a dollar. >> Okay. >> That's kind of like what set her off on the thing. >> Um you know what? I can always take a picture and then we'll move that and take more. >> He He must have like the way she said it was when my brother bought a bunch of stuff and some of the stuff and it's same thing. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. See if I got that. Hello. >> Yeah. I got you. >> All right, perfect. >> You got everything? >> Yep. All right, so you're the one that observed it and then I will email you to get the videos. >> Okay. >> Awesome. And I'll take the receipts with me when you're done with them. >> Do you want to send me a copy of the >> I can give you a copy if you want from the >> Oh yeah, yeah, that'd be fine. >> That'd be fine? >> Yeah, do you want me to take a picture of it so you have all the information? >> Let's go see. I can take a picture and then you guys can just >> Can we do that? >> Yeah. >> You sure? >> Yeah, yeah, and then you guys can send it to me. >> Yeah. You guys can uh this will be part of the evidence. >> Okay. >> I All right, so this is the actual amount. >> Mine came up different than this one though. Mine was $10 less. >> $10 more or $10 less? >> Less. >> Okay. And then these are her receipts. >> I must have missed something. You know when I was I'm just uh putting it back together. >> Okay. >> Well, the two combined are you going to want to stop her? >> Wait, what? Well, yeah. >> Okay. >> And then he called me over there. I said, "Okay." And I looked and I was like I I thought it was going to be something small, but once I saw it was that big I was like I got to call the police officer. This is very I was over what she >> Okay. So but on camera you actually observed her going >> Well, uh Tammy did. >> Oh, Tammy did. >> Yes. >> Oh, so I need to get her info though. Hey, can I get your info? >> Do you have your ID? I need to be faster. Yes, I do. This is all of my picture. >> Mine's not so good either. >> No, you're fine. >> 146 >> Yeah, I was like >> Where was she at? >> She was right I was kind of You had your girl? >> Uh-huh. >> Cuz I'm on my first register and I noticed >> So she was in a uh scan as you go? Scan as you go? >> So I noticed a purse going the back. And I'm like looking at my phone and I'm like >> It's so cool your devices actually allow you to see what people are scanning. That's so awesome. >> And I'm like I don't see no purse on the bottom of the counter. >> I'm sorry. >> I said I don't see no purse on there. So I walked up and I said, "Did you get the purse?" And she goes, "Oh, yeah, I did. I think I did." And she already hit and got the receipt. So, I grabbed the receipt and I said, "No, it's not on here." And then I noticed everything's like a dollar, so I called Carmelo over here. >> On radio or did you go get him? >> No, I called him on the radio. >> Okay, then he met you over here? >> Yeah, I said, "Carmelo, can you come to register 39, please?" That's all I said. >> He goes, "Yep, I'll be right there." >> And he came He came right away, so. >> All right, awesome. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I noticed everything's a dollar, I think. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. All right, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Christopher, did my partner get that info from you? >> Uh >> Did my partner get that info from you? >> No, my mom's coming to get >> coming? Okay. >> I brought my ID and she's got >> Oh, that's okay. Not a problem. I don't need it. Your mom's here, too? >> She's coming now. >> Is she in the car? >> No, she's coming now. >> Oh, she's coming over here? >> Yes. >> So, who drove here? You or your sister? >> I drove. >> You drove, okay. Uh so, you have a license, then? >> Yes, I do. >> Is it How do you spell your name? >> K r i s t o f e r >> Last name, Williams? >> Yes. >> What's your middle initial? >> Michael, M. >> Date of birth? police station, we're going to be heading over there. >> So, she was arrested? >> Yes. >> Can I know why she was arrested? >> Uh I have to ask her cuz she is an adult, so I will ask her if I can pass any information to you. >> We can't just return some of the items. We can't do >> Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Do you know what a police department is? >> Is it Ardmore Police Department? >> Yes. 40 South Ardmore. >> I I use GPS. Where is it? Where Where is it at? >> The cross streets are are more in home or Elmhurst City Hall? >> Actually, it's just called Villa Park Police Department. >> Yes. >> All right. I'll just go with that. >> Okay. You want it Or you can just wait for me. We're We're leaving in a little bit. My car's right here. >> I've got to wait for my mom. >> Or wait for your mom. All right. You ready? >> Uh >> All right. We got to go to the police department. We have to process you for retail theft. And uh if you don't have any priors, you'll get released today. Meaning you you've never been arrested before. >> What's priors? >> Priors means you've never been arrested before. >> Okay. >> Okay? Then you'll get released in in like about an hour. Okay? All right. Go ahead and stand up for me. >> Okay. Um >> Your brother wants to know what's going on. I don't You're an adult. Like I don't I can't pass any information unless you provide it unless you allow me to, I should say. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Go ahead and stand up for me. You're going to put your hands behind your back. Protocol. >> Should I take this off? >> I don't Yeah. I mean, no, you can keep it on. >> Uh >> You're not cold? >> Well, yeah, but it might be easier. >> Why? You're not going to You're not actually going to a jail. You're just getting processed at our PD. >> Oh. Okay. Sorry. >> You sure you've never been arrested before? >> No. >> Okay, cuz you seem to know a little protocol here. >> No. No, I haven't. >> All right. Where are you originally from? >> Kentucky. >> Kentucky? >> I was born and raised in Kentucky. >> Okay. Go ahead, turn around. >> Okay. >> Uh I have the receipts for her refunds on the on the the purchases that she made. >> Okay. >> Keep Keep the phone here. >> Thank you. Yes, ma'am. I just sit a little bit. All right. This leg. >> Here you go. >> Oh, sweatpants. >> I don't see anything in there. >> No, yeah, but it's just sweater. I don't want to get your sweater all caught up in this. >> And that was receipts. >> All dollar receipts. You okay? >> [snorts] >> Yeah. Looks good. >> I'm just bringing up these pictures of the other ones she sent. Uh but if you do need me to send you pictures, I can do that. I'm going to send you guys a >> Yeah, just you know what? I like how Tucker does it, no offense. >> Oh, that's okay. >> I'd rather teach you. >> I don't know. >> [laughter] >> That's so that it saves us and saves us a lot of time. Um they send everything to us. They send us the videos, pictures, and receipts. So then we don't have to log in anything into evidence. >> Okay, so everything is digital then. >> digital. Yeah. >> Got you. >> But I took photos of the receipts. Like that's for her I took photos of all the receipts, yeah. Hers she I don't need a picture of. >> Here, just send it over. >> Yeah. >> Okay, I'll do that. >> It's so much easier for us. It saves us from going into that machine. All right. >> And after the word "said"? >> I emailed him. >> Yeah, don't >> Yeah, I'll send you an email when I'm done with the process. >> From what I was told by the associate too, that her brother was part of the first transaction, so I don't know about that. >> Well, we have his information. So if anything happens, we could always get a warrant for his arrest. Was he Was he involved at all? >> No, he just gave him the stuff he wanted and said, "I'm waiting in the car." >> Okay, let me Since I got the cuffs on you, I got to read you your rights, huh? >> Before I ask you any questions, it is my duty to advise you of your constitutional rights. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and be used against you in a court of law or proceedings or other proceedings. You have the right to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions and to have him with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning. If you wish, you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand these constitutional rights I have advised you? >> Um >> Do you understand what I just said? >> For the next 21 minutes, she explained the whole method on camera, no lawyer, no warning. The discount source, the technique, even her brother's part in the first transaction. Under Miranda versus Arizona decided in 1966, a warning is only required once questioning turns custodial. The test isn't whether handcuffs are on, it's whether a reasonable person would still feel free to leave. Seated in a back office boxed in by staff and a uniformed officer that line had already been crossed. Every word she said before the warning became a voluntary gift to the prosecution. By the time cuffs went on the case against her had already built itself. >> So, was your brother involved? >> No, he just gave me the stuff he wanted so he he gave me the chicken, the popcorn, and then he said I'm going to wait in the car. >> But did he know that you're going to not pay for them? Okay, so he didn't know. >> Well, no, actually I did scan those. >> Oh, you did scan them. Okay. >> scanned the chicken and the popcorn. He got two bags of popcorn. So, I just scanned one bag twice and said it was just >> Okay, so when he checks the video he's not going to see that your brother's involved at all. Okay, perfect. All right. Um, I'm just going to pat you down. I'm going to go through your purse really quick. Oh. Make sure you got nothing. I'll do a quick uh purse check and then at the PD we'll go more thorough. >> Yeah, of course. >> Um, also I just >> Yes, ma'am. >> have a question if that's okay. Before we're in the car, can I have a quick vape? >> Quick vape? No, unfortunately not. But I'm telling you this process is only literally like if he helps me out it'll be 30 minutes. >> Oh, okay. >> But if he if he gets a call, it won't be 30 minutes. >> Okay. >> Your receipt, okay? This is a refund, right? This >> I'm just going to pat you down. Make sure you got no no weapons, nothing that's going to stick me, poke me, hurt me. You have a dress on and leggings? >> Yes. >> All right, go ahead. This is an uncomfortable part, but you got to open up for me. Open up. >> Oh, oh, sorry. >> Make sure you're not hiding anything else. >> Okay. >> All right, you are all set. All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. 2140. >> Yeah, yeah. I'm really scared so I kind of don't have a choice. >> Carmelo receives a B plus. His evidentiary documentation was thorough merchandise, photographed, receipts secured, surveillance footage arranged for digital transmission. His communication with both the suspect and her brother was professional, transparent, and de-escalatory throughout. However, Miranda was administered at 21 minutes 44 seconds after a complete detailed confession had already been obtained. An earlier advisement, even informally delivered at the outset of questioning, would have preserved full evidentiary integrity and insulated the prosecution from a viable suppression motion. That procedure and gap is the material deficiency in an otherwise well-handled arrest. Williams receives a D. She provided a comprehensive, voluntary, self-incriminating confession covering scheme mechanics, origin, and execution before >> Thank you very much. >> Okay, Carmelo. I'll email you in a little bit. >> All right, thanks. >> Not a problem. I think I need to start hanging out at the Walmart study here. Right? >> [clears throat] >> Where's your other brother? Oh, he's over there. How come he's not going to his car? >> I'm going to my car. >> Why aren't you going to your car? >> I got to wait for her. >> Oh, you got to wait for mom? >> I got to tell her to go there to the police station. >> No, he says he's waiting for his mom to come. Where'd you guys park at? >> Oh, somewhere. I don't know. It's a blue Mustang. >> It's a blue Mustang? >> Yeah. >> Like your mom have? >> Uh >> You know? >> Yeah. It's a blue Mustang. >> It's a blue Mustang. >> Yeah, it's a It's a blue It's a blue They're saying the right front of THE STORE. >> OH. >> IT'S A BLUE MUSTANG. THEY DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE CAR. MEANS >> VICTOR TWO. Victor two, one female in custody and read the Miranda rights to her. Victor two, you can mark Miranda rights as given. I don't see it. Can you please indicate that the Miranda rights were given? Do you see it from Oh, I see it. Can you get the plate? Can you get the plate? It's the blue Mustang right there. Gracias. It's a nice Mustang. It's your brother's? >> Yes, certainly not. >> Have you never driven? >> Nope. >> Really? Why is that? >> So, I >> Are you afraid to drive? >> No, it's just >> No. >> Yeah, a lot of people don't. So, the Romani cuz we're Romani. Romani are basically distant cousins of the Middle Eastern >> Okay. >> Um so in our culture some females um are not allowed to drive. Mostly because it's a parent thing to be overprotective. But that only applies to females. But it does not apply to males. They are married. >> Does your mom drive? >> Yeah, but mom didn't start driving until she married my dad. So it's But like >> All right, you're going to go to your left. I'm going to take the cuffs off. I'm going to pat you down one more time. Take your >> Dorina Williams was charged with retail theft, a class three felony under Illinois law. Her brother Christopher was never charged. Her own statement given after Miranda cleared him completely. At the time of this analysis, the case remains pending in Illinois court. Loss prevention gets a B+. Sharp catch, clean evidence trail. The responding officer gets a C. Good instincts, good rapport, but the rights advisement came 21 minutes too late. Dorina Williams gets a D. Staying silent costs nothing. She talked anyway at length before anyone read her a warning. If you want more body cam cases broken down like this one, hit subscribe. We post every week. With a confession like that already on tape, does the Miranda timing even matter? Drop your verdict in the comments.