Thank you. One of these guys lawyer. >> I know I didn't do any I didn't say you did. But you got to be prepared for them to try to do that when there was two shot. The main thing I think is because it was two shots fired. But I don't I don't I don't I'm not saying you did or did I make it out of the shower? Well, that's kind of suspicious, too. If you had residue on your hand, go ahead. >> Did they already did it? Okay, go ahead. All right, fine. Good. >> The lawyer, they she just called before you, right after you did, and said that she had talked to him just a couple minutes before. So, you are released. They just got to let you go. If they don't let you go, no. >> Well, they they call she talked to another building. >> Mhm. So, if they don't let you go within about 15 or 20 minutes, I'm calling the lawyer and they're in deep [ __ ] >> No, no, no. What? Tell me. What did you say to them? Huh? And you guys a lot. What did you say to them? I just ask questions the same thing over and over sometimes. But stuff that I couldn't answer, man. Like, when something like that happens, you don't know exactly how many inches or or what is that? Come on, man. You know what I mean? They didn't have to look at that [ __ ] wife. Take out the last breath, Dad. >> I know. Where did she shoot herself at? >> I don't know. >> Okay, that might be Maybe that might be suspicious, too, where the wounds are. They won't tell anybody. >> I don't know. >> Because the body is still there. They haven't removed the body yet. >> That is sick. >> They have to get a search warrant before they can do it. And the examiner hasn't been there either. >> So, they're dropping the ball. >> Well, I don't know. Well, that's that's normal procedure. I mean, I was But I was as honest as I could with him. I know. Well, that's fine. But here [ __ ] I know. What about Ronald? Rand's in the other room. They let him go. >> I don't know. I don't know. But they're trying to pin it all on me, and that's not cool. >> What are they saying to you? >> Oh, well, this is suspicious. That is suspicious. >> You got to understand, asking me questions. I don't know. >> Well, you have to understand there are some things that seem suspicious. I'm not I'm just saying, you know, devil's advocate. >> Sure. Okay. Two shots. >> Sure. >> You just got out of the shower. >> Sure. >> Could have washed all that stuff off. Okay. No witnesses. >> Hey, get the What's so Well, that's neither here or there. You were wet. >> Yeah. >> No witnesses. >> Well, I said he heard >> he heard two He told me he heard two pops. >> Yeah, me too. That's what I heard. >> He said cuz I asked him when after I talked to you, you know, or before I talked to you. >> Sure. >> Cuz he was over there. your mom was hugging him and stuff and I I asked him. I said, "Ryland, what happened?" And he goes, "I don't know, grandpa. I was watching TV and I heard something go pop." And I know my mom was hurt. He's trying They're trying to tell me that Ryland said that there was a scream. There was no scream that I heard. Only thing that was screaming is me saying, "Call 911 somebody." >> Well, maybe that's what he thought. Well, he's a little kid. They can't go by everything he says, especially when they're interrogating him without a family member there. >> Yeah. I mean, they're trying to say this and that when I've been as honest as I can. >> Well, that's all you can be, but don't you clam up. You're lawyered up now. Shut your mouth. Don't say another word. So, you need anything, you speak to my lawyer. I've got his name and his personal furnace. This is ridiculous. >> Well, Sarah put up $1,000. I mean, I know I know you will. and he wants a whole total of $8,000. And he says they're probably going to get you at least a class 3 felony for the Real. >> Yeah. You might as well talk about it now. It doesn't matter. You're going to find >> You already told him. >> No. >> Oh, I'm honest. >> Okay. So, is that Oh, you have it? >> Yeah. >> Herbs vials. >> Herb guns. >> What about the vials? >> What? Oh, dabs. That's weed. >> I know, but that's different. No, it's just weeding. >> No. Well, he said that they they'll probably get a class three felony for the over 20 some odd grams of >> Oh, god. >> Uh that he says, but there, you know, cuz she was saying, "Well, what about all this retaining?" He says, "I don't give a godamn about the rest of the detainer. Just do what I told you to do. We need to get on this right now." >> I had a captain come over. >> Good. Because I know it. I know. I know. >> And he knows you. Who is it? [Music] Edward, he's talked to you a couple times. Sure. >> Oh, I think I know who it is. >> Mhm. >> He's a good guy. >> Well, you know, a suggestion. I know this is early and everything, but we're right here talking. We might as well get out. Yeah. You're going to have to get somebody for for some counseling for you and Ryan Bo. >> Oh, I know. >> Like yesterday. Okay. This has got to be horrible for you. You have no when you try to man when you look over and you're slipping around all over the place because I just got out of the shower, right? When you look over and you see her take a last breath and her eyes roll back down. And then not that I've been through enough of the time to paint that [ __ ] on me, man. Well, I don't know if they're trying to paint anything on you, but they're, you know, they do have to do their job key. They have to cover all the bases. I understand, but man, >> keeping you here all this time is ridiculous. >> I've been through enough. >> Did they tell you that you had the chance that you could leave whenever you wanted to? Did they ever tell you that? >> Yeah, but I was trying to cooperate. >> All right. But did they tell you you could leave whenever you wanted to? Then I just asked you. Nope. You're today. Well, >> not any longer. If they don't let you go, then I'll call the lawyer and there'll be [ __ ] to pay. >> We have to wait until forensic investigation. [ __ ] done like that. >> No, they know that there's drugs in there. That's why they don't want you to leave. >> It's just [ __ ] weed. >> It doesn't matter. There's drugs. That's why they don't want you to leave because they know they're going to have to come and arrest you again anyway. >> Oh, well, let me at least have my time with my damn family. going to be with your family for a while and then you know since you know that they're going to do it maybe tomorrow just I know every the arrangements already made >> but then you can just commit now listen >> I know I know Keith tomorrow you can be the man and you can say I know that you you know you found that stuff I'm turning myself in because it's better to do it that way than to have him come haul your ass away with handcuffs. Don't you agree? >> Yeah. >> Be the man. Okay. And that way I can get all my money out of my bank account. Just >> You need to do that immediately. My card's in the um in my car. >> Well, we can't get in there until they remove all of that tape. But Michelle, you can go to Michelle. Michelle can get You got your ID with you? >> They have to. >> They got to give you all that [ __ ] >> They won't even give me back my cell phone. >> Well, I know. Well, I called a long time ago and he says, "I want to talk to my son right now." >> They never called back. That's when we said lawyer. >> Yeah. I didn't But you're you're okay. You got a lawyer. It's the lawyer said he didn't care about the rest of the retainer. He'd talk to you about that later. The main thing is get you I mean this is what this is for being honest. Well, >> I understand. But they're you have to understand too they're doing their job. Okay. >> They want to make sure they haven't charged you with anything. I mean, I wouldn't even obviously they it they they probably know that it was a suicide. Okay. It wasn't a suicide. >> She killed herself. But why would she kill herself? >> Keith, if we knew that, let me stop every suicide in the world. >> Right. Before I heard the pops, I was in the shower. She picked the thing and said I was get out of here. That's the last thing I said. People snap keys. What I think is she was trying to maybe use reaching out the bed >> because why would she even have a gun in the first place? >> My weapons were in the bed. >> Oh, >> in the side. So if she took them out to move them, she used to do that. Why would two Why would there be two shots? That's what doesn't make sense. It hitting the floor. Why would Those guns don't just go off by hitting the floor? case. >> I don't know. >> I know you don't know, but they don't go off by getting the vote. You have expensive guns. They wouldn't do that. >> No, that only one of them has a safety. >> It doesn't matter. It have that trigger have to be a hair trigger to do that. >> One of them is >> Which one was used? >> I don't know. >> Okay. All right. I'm not grilling. I mean, I want I want the best. >> They haven't even told me much. Then you'll warn me. >> No, I don't know anything either. They wouldn't tell us anything. It's like they won't let Ryan go with anybody until the the ch child services make sure that he's not severely traum traumatized. >> He didn't see her. >> He don't know. >> Well, he don't know. >> I will tell him. I don't think you should tell him cuz you're not in the condition to do it. Keith, >> I have to man up. I know you do, but we need to talk about how to do that. Okay. >> As a family. as it well just you and your mom and I. >> Uh that's the doctor's part. >> Well, he knows that she was shot. >> So, does >> he knows that she was hurt? He knows what he's talking left in an ambulance. >> Okay. >> So, the hard part's over. >> Okay. >> Okay. See, I didn't know he knew any of that. >> He knows that. The cop told me that. He knows those three things. Good. >> Okay. He didn't see the body. Thank Thank God. Dad, you wouldn't want to know. >> Well, no, but I've seen death before. But no, it's not. >> What was weird is I didn't see no pool or any of that. >> Well, it depends on where she was shot. >> So, I don't know. Nobody knows. >> And they're like, "Your security? Go ahead and look on them." >> Yeah. Well, they asked about your security and I said and I said it's not even >> I said you know something I don't even know why he's got it. And your mom said cuz they interrogated me. I interrogate question to me and your mom separate. >> Sure. But then you're but we could hear each other >> outside the car. We was in front of your house for over 3 hours >> waiting for them to talk to us. I told everybody else to leave and we stayed there and I said well I I made Braden leave right away. I said >> I says you do not need to be here when they bring that body out. I says we don't want to be here. >> I didn't want to be there. >> Nobody does. >> I can't never go back to that house again. >> Well, you're going to have to. >> You're going to have to because you get it. Well, you may not be able to live there, but you're going to have to go back cuz you got to get yourself. >> Can't. >> I know you can. I don't believe you. >> But you got to know how to deal with this. >> Well, nobody does, Keith. It's some That's why you need to get help to help you deal in and to learn how to deal with this. I can't help you there. I mean, it's bad enough that >> we can support you, but I can't advise you cuz I don't know. I've never had to go through this. It's bad enough that they detain you and charge you this and that. >> Well, they haven't charged you with anything. Obviously, they're not charging you with murder or anything. >> I don't know what they're going to do. >> Well, you don't know. But but I told you they're already trying. >> Well, they're bringing it up. >> Yeah. >> And that freaking [ __ ] from Flaggler Live, not even a real reporter, was there. >> Stuff should be private. >> Well, no, it's not private. It's public record. >> Yeah. >> But he was there and he was talking to the neighbors and blah blah blah. >> They don't know us. >> No. Well, they said that you know that that Ryland just started playing with the neighbor across the street and they were have they were having a party across the street that I know we're invited. >> I know. And the guy down the street was there next door to them. The couple where we were parked >> that there was a bunch of people there on our trucks and they were taking I says you know what guys have respect. Yes, sir. That's right. Hi. Can I talk to you real quick? [Music] I was done with my conversation. >> Oh, okay. Sure. >> The lawyer is already >> Okay. All right. >> So, you should have had that information, but >> I'll talk to the lawyer. >> Okay. >> All right. They just told me basically what they did to you that uh you didn't you weren't told where she was shot. >> No, >> she was shot in the chest and in the shoulder in this area. >> Okay. >> That's one of them went completely through the body. Okay. That's all he told me. And he said that's what's very suspicious. >> Not if she was got the two guns out of the thing. >> Well, I don't know. I don't I have no idea if there was two guns involved. Well, I mean, he mentioned something about two guns, but I did not, you know, and I says, "Is it feasible?" And he says, "Not really." I'm not blaming it. I'm not doing anything. >> Well, I mean, crazier things happen, but he says that that you are a person of s of interest, but you already know that. >> Yeah. >> That you're not going to be charged with anything about that. >> Why don't I [ __ ] leave? >> I just asked him. I said, "Can we leave?" "No." "Why?" "We have to go through the crime scene first." And I says, "Uh" >> I says, "If he's not charged, you have to let him go." >> And he goes, "Well, uh" and I says, "Well, we have a lawyer." >> And the lawyer is already contacted and you have to release him. >> Yeah. >> And he goes, "He's not free to go." >> So, they are going to, you know, I'm going to go get your mom. Uh we are going to be able to go see Ryland. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh he does know like I said um da da da da >> they're trying to keep it >> okay they're trying to keep him occupied and so on so he's somewhat prepared >> so we just need to know should we tell him I think we could probably do it a little easier than you can right now Keith we can we can put God in there >> say you're with your sister and mommy is in heaven I didn't do it, though. >> I didn't say you did. But they're acting like I did. >> It's suspicious being shot once once in the chest and once in the shoulder. That's very suspicious. You got to understand that. I'm not saying you did or didn't. I wasn't there. I didn't see any shots, though. >> Well, that doesn't mean anything. Was she laying on her stomach when her back in a comb? >> Well, you just chose not to see it then. All I see is like a little like a little spot of blood, but not no like big pool. Well, usually when you get shot like that, you don't have big pool of blood unless it hits a heart or an artery. >> Okay. But he said he pointed said once in his shoulder and once in the chest, wherever. He said in this area. Okay. So, we got that information. Uh and he he tried to explain to me we got to go through everything blah blah blah which I understand and you understand too. And then he says well then he says we can't talk to you. They can't talk to you. >> So they know that you had a lawyer. >> They need to let you go. We're charge you. >> They're not I'm going to sue them. >> Well I'm going to ask him one more time. >> Are you going to let release him? >> If you don't release him are you going to charge him? And if he says, "Well, we have to wait, blah, blah, blah." That's [ __ ] They don't have to wait. They either charge you or let you go. Period. And don't be late. >> And you know, and if they don't let you go, then your lawyer's going to have a [ __ ] fit. >> I need to call him. >> Really? >> Well, when your mom comes in, we're going to bring the phone in. >> Okay. >> And you can talk to him. >> Okay. >> I got his personal number. I mean, and he'll >> This is what you get for being honest, man. >> Well, maybe you're being honest. I'm not saying you are not. I mean, I'm sure you are, but you still have to understand there's a death involved. >> I know. Innocent gunshots. And there's two of them. And this is supposedly suicide. Is it an accident? Is it a >> Was it out there? I don't know. Was did she shoot herself and then dropped the gun? The gun go off? >> That's all these different things. And that's what they're trying to figure out, too. They will know once they do the autopsy, which they will have to do. >> They do the autopsy and they I don't know if they can even find the other bullet cuz they were standing out by the back the back window. That was your that was your room, right? >> Yeah. [Music] >> Because maybe the bullet went through the wall. >> I don't know. >> Out because they were standing there. One guy had an umbrella standing outside in the rain. >> I don't know. >> So maybe maybe one shell went out. That's where it went. But the other ones in her I wish the one that's in her cavity was the one in the chest. >> But the thing I wish is I would have took that shower. >> Well, I would have had her coming with you. >> I know when things like this happen, Keith, how would I had her come with me? >> No. You don't know, Keith. People snap. She's been very depressed. >> Not really. She's behind it. >> Not to your mom or sister. >> Yeah. See, this is stuff I don't know. >> Cuz she talked to your mom and told your mom that I I'm not a good person. >> But why? When when did her baby die? >> That's what I told them. >> When? A year ago. >> 3 years ago. But >> but what time is it? Close to that anniversary. >> She she had said something I don't know a week and a half ago. She said something else too. Man, I miss you know. I miss her, you know, cuz she wasn't on her drugs. I was always there for her. I didn't know that, Dad. But she wasn't on her medication. Bipolar. Was she stopped? I don't know if it was bipolar or she says for her anxiety is what she was taking >> drugs for that and she quit. >> Sure. And she was fine. But she wasn't fine. >> Why didn't she let me know that? Keith, sometimes you blow up. No. I mean, why wouldn't she? She said, "Hey, I need to go to the doctor." >> I understand. >> Okay. I understand. >> But but you know, in case sometimes sometimes you're a little difficult, too. >> Yeah. >> But she could have been afraid to say anything to you because you might blow up. >> No, she knows I'm like, "All right, I'm just throwing it out there." I mean, Dad, she just was just about to get that one thing out of her arm so we could have a kid. >> Keith, I can't tell you. I don't know if we knew what if we knew what makes people snap. But it don't seem like it would be something that she would do that that doesn't mean anything. I mean, especially with Ryland in the next room. >> Well, he was we were just talking about that, too. You know, they say, "Well, you know, blah blah blah." You know, people put suicide notes for years and years and then all of a sudden they do it and they say, "Well, you better get the other person because they killed her or him or whatever." >> Yeah. >> Her family. >> Her family's already blaming me. Well, of course, but they don't Nobody knows anything at this point. >> I don't even know. And I I want to know what the hell happened. >> Well, I don't know, Keith. I wasn't there. >> I mean, all I know is what I seen. >> But I wasn't there. >> I know. But they weren't there. The only one that was there was you and Riley. >> No, Riley didn't see. >> No, no, no. The only one that was really there was you in the bathroom, her in the bedroom, and God. Mhm. >> That's the only three people that were there. And God will protect me. Well, she's with God cuz she was a believer. >> Sure. >> So, we know where she's at. >> I feel comfortable that way. I I don't want to see her gone, but I feel comfortable that she's in the right place. >> I can't believe. >> And that's what we're going to tell Ryland. He can understand that. Okay. >> I mean, I can't believe the cop says he needs to know. >> It's hard. >> It is hard. That's why let us do it cuz you're not in any condition to do that. I need to be >> We need to be strong. >> You won't be strong with him, Keith. You're going to break up. >> I know you will break up and it'll just make him feel worse. Okay? And I know you want to be the man. You be the father. But right now is not the time to do that. >> I mean, the best person of my life is no longer living there. >> I'm sorry. How is there a God? >> Of course there's a God. Accidents happen. People snap and they do unrable things. Why the hell? Whether they kill somebody or they kill themselves or accidents, you know, God cannot intercede earth. >> But why would he make her take her? >> He didn't. You know who did? >> Satan. Satan caught her at a weak point, maybe. >> Absolutely. Or it was just a [ __ ] accident. It could have been. I don't know. I mean, no one will know for a while. Right before she peakedked her head in and said, "Boo, messing with me, you know." Well, it was something that we used to do. I thought you had your guns all locked up. I I did all but two. All but two. Well, when this is all over, I'm taking all your guns. >> No, we're going to sell all my guns. >> Well, I'm going to take them, though. >> Yeah, we're going to sell them. >> Well, whatever. But I mean, I'm not suicidal or nothing. I didn't say that. But [ __ ] happens, you know. But people don't kill people. Where guns don't kill people. People do. >> Yeah. Unless it's an accident like that, then it's then it's completely that's a freakish accident. >> Mhm. >> Okay. But you know, and I'm saying this, I'm not blaming you, Keith. >> Now listen to me, though. Listen to me. If you did do it, I'm just saying. >> I believe you didn't, but I didn't. But if you did, own up to it. >> I would have by now. >> Well, I'm just telling you if you did it, you own up to it. It'll be better for you. >> But I didn't. >> Okay. I believe you. And if I did, I would own up. I've been honest up to this point. >> I understand. I understand. >> I mean, but they want you to think I'm trying to believe you, Keith. I know. >> I'm talking you manto man because this is the time to do it. Sure, but I'm not going to admit to something that I did not do. >> Okay, that's fine. I believe you. You know, it's bad enough that I had all this damn tragedy in my life right now. I know. I don't know which way to deal with it. I know. Neither do we. We're numb. >> I have no emotions at all anymore. >> None. I know you do. You are, too. Your mom's numb. Everybody else is crying her eyes out and they're saying, "How come you're not letting it out?" I can't. I I don't have time to. We've been Not only that, I'm numb. But I have no emotion. Any emotion. But why would you want to? That just don't make sense. >> I don't know if it makes it never does, Keith. It just don't make sense. It doesn't make sense. That's the only sense I can make of it. I don't know. She was very depressed. But she didn't let me know that. Well, you know, she did other people, I guess. Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't she talk to me? Talk about she trusted you, Keith. >> Or she just wanted to talk to a girl that maybe, >> you know, maybe. I don't know. But she was kind to reaching out cuz your mom said that she gave she told her that one one woman, >> that counselor that was free >> and that was middle of last week. Okay. >> And she said, "Okay, I will call her." But your mom didn't was going to text it to her. M and she didn't for some reason. >> Okay. >> Your mom's saying, "Well, maybe if I did that. Well, maybe if this or maybe if that." >> Maybe if I wouldn't have taken a shower. >> Maybe if you didn't have guns. Maybe you didn't have that. Maybe if she, you know, maybe she was in the other room. Maybe if I would have been in the same room. Maybe if I didn't take a shower. Maybe don't mean anything. You [ __ ] in one hand and put babies maybe in the other. And which one gets far? >> Yeah. I know it's a crappy analogy, but but Dad, think about it. >> I'm so weak and worn out. >> I know you're all cried out, and I understand that. >> I just can't make sense of it. Well, >> nobody can. >> I can't. >> All right. Well, I'm going to go get your mom and we're going to go talk to Ryland. >> I want to see mom. >> I know. I do. >> I know. Okay. >> All right. But let us take care of that first, okay? Then we'll come in and we'll let you know what he has to say cuz you need to know that, too. Get me the [ __ ] out of here. >> I'm trying. I'll call the lawyer here. I'm going to ask him one more time. >> Are you going to release him? >> Uh, not at this time. >> Okay, then I'll I'll bring the phone. You can call your wife. >> Get your uh You want to bring your wife in here? >> Yeah, I'm going to bring my wife in, but we're going to call the lawyer. >> Okay, let's go. You come and get it. Yes. >> All right. First, >> I know I'm going to let you go. All right. Here's here's No, we're going to be able to talk to Ron and we'll tell him the news. Okay. >> Listen. Listen to me for a moment. Don't say another thing. Just listen to me. We can call your lawyer in private. If you talk to the lawyer, they want it to be on speaker phone so they can hear it. So, we're going to call the lawyer first and get his advice. >> I'm going to sue the hell out of >> Well, just relax. We're going to call the lawyer after we talk to Ryland. >> Yeah. >> And then we're going to And then I will get his advice. >> Okay. >> And if he says it's okay for you to talk with them listening, I will give you my cell phone and you can talk to them. >> Okay. If they haven't charged you, they have to let you go. >> Well, I I assume so, but we don't know everything. The lawyer doesn't know everything that's going on as well. >> Okay. Well, nobody does. And they're not telling anybody everything. >> She was shot in the chest in the shoulder. That's all they told me. >> I didn't know. >> I know you did. Anyway, straight up. >> I know. >> Okay. Okay. But they're going to come and get us so we can break the news around. And we know how we're going to do it. >> It's going to be a hard one. >> It is going to be hard. But we got to be strong. And >> And why are they all done? What? >> They won't tell me. They have to wait until they all he told me they have to wait until the investigation is complete at the house. The days >> because of the drugs probably. >> It's just [ __ ] clear. >> I don't care. Just you already told him. Yeah, I told them they who cares. It doesn't matter. They've got it. >> But it's two shots. That's why they're saying that. >> Well, see, I haven't he said it was two guns. I kept them both in the side of my bed. They fit in there perfectly. >> Yeah. >> So, Kate was cleaning or anything. >> How would she clean and get it? >> Because they're on the side of the bed. >> They don't have a safety. >> They don't have a safety. >> That could happen. And he Keith understands it does look suspicious because of that >> being shot here and here. Well, here and in the chest >> and the one went through her body. That's probably where those cops out there were that I told you that's probably what that was. One of them went completely through the body and the other one's probably the one in her chest. He didn't say exactly where. >> And you beat me in the shower. I mean, we already discussed that. >> But come on, man. Well, you would never hurt anybody. I know when I was here. >> You have never even hit anybody. I know. >> Well, they're going to come and get getting your mom and I wouldn't once. Yeah. >> But I don't know what to do. >> We can only talk privately to the lawyer. >> Lawyer says, >> you don't say what the lawyer says. Don't say anything at all. Nothing else. I damn >> that I'm not saying what you're saying is right or wrong, but don't say anything. >> I mean, >> let the lawyer do the talking for you. >> Damn, Lord. You told him everything I know. >> Well, don't say anything else. They can't talk to you anymore unless you offer information. >> They can't talk to you. >> Well, you're in shock. >> Well, yeah, we all are. >> Did they even give you anything to eat or drink? >> I'm too upset to eat. >> Well, but you have they've been giving you something soda. >> No, that's the dudes. I mean, you're as honest as you can with somebody even though it's hard for you to be and then they try to pinch it. >> Well, they're not really trying to pin anything. >> That's why you keep your mouth shut. >> Well, I told them >> cuz they can take everything out of context. >> Sure. I told them everything I know and from what I remember, I can't remember everything about >> Well, she must have just gotten up. >> Tell her what she told me. >> What about the shower? >> Oh, okay. Okay. It woke me up and was like, "Okay, I'm going to make some breakfast, you know, and all that, you know, and I was like, "Okay, I'm going to go take a shower." Went into the shower. The little curtain things weren't done all the way because she's so damn sure. I was doing that and all of a sudden she went in, she said, "Boom." I said, "Ah, go away." And then about I don't know a little not long after pop. Doesn't make sense. >> Did you jump out immediately when you heard the pops? >> When did you come out of the bathroom? >> It was pop. The first one I thought like a balloon, you know what I mean? And then after I heard the second one, I was like, "Wo, something's wrong, man." You know what I mean? And I ran out there. Hey, slid across the floor and everything. make it and got on the phone. >> You saw her laying there? >> Yeah. Well, I saw her laying there. Yes. And I was like, "Oh, no. Oh, no." Got on the phone immediately. Called 911. >> Okay. You know, and told what what not. And I don't remember what time I put on my clothes or not, but I just got nut boxers, man. I know. >> And then I let him in the door and she said, "Please help her. Please help her." And then they rushed me outside. That's when I called you. So it's like >> you call me at 10:52. >> Yeah. It's like what the hell? I mean, did they accidentally one go off and then she dropped them both and you know what I mean? I don't think so. >> Was she moving them and cleaning? Well, >> that's what I was Maybe >> what they're going to be looking for are powder burns. >> Go ahead. >> No, I mean that's what they're going to be looking for. Go ahead. >> No, not on just you, >> but on her. >> Yeah. >> How close was the weapon? What angle did it have to be? They're going to do a thorough investigation. >> Sure. >> What angle if the gun hit this way, what angle would the projectile go? >> What angle did it enter the body? >> Sure. >> If it entered from down here, >> that'll set me free. >> Well, if they if the if if it hit like this and she was standing or whatever, crouched, it'd be angled this way. You should never have loading guns in the house. >> Well, not without safety anyway. That's beside the point. It's over. >> Yeah. And they asked, "What do you wish for justice for your wife?" And I looked at him. >> Justice? >> Justice? I was like, "Better gun control." I mean, >> that has nothing to do with it. >> I mean, you know, >> justice. In other words, they were beating you, trying to get you to say, if you said, >> if you would have said something like, oh, you know, jail or whatever, then see, then they got problem. You and Brandy were good. >> I know. >> But she has been depressed for a while. >> I didn't know that. >> She hasn't been telling you. >> I thought she was getting better. >> But she has not been telling him. >> No. >> And he asked why. And I says, "Probably because she was afraid you'd blow up." >> She She told her that she's been having nightmares lately. And told me that she's had awful awful thoughts. And I said, "Brandy, what are those?" And she wouldn't tell me. And she says, "I've been feeling really bad. I have to go talk to somebody. I really, really need to go talk to somebody. >> And I gave her Barbara's name at the criminal she told me the other day, >> right, is that she had been talking to people online sexually. I let it go because everybody has their past. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And I let it go. It was from months ago, though. So, I was like, "Okay, whatever." >> Is that why you took her phone away? >> No, I didn't take her phone away. >> She was having >> She broke her phone. Oh, she did tell me she broke her phone. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Go ahead. >> Yeah. And then we had to get new ones, but the new ones that I got weren't compatible. >> Okay. >> So, I had to get new ones after that. >> Okay. >> And then she had a phone. Everything's good. >> Continue on. >> Um, but that's about it, you know, and I I let it go. I let it go because >> Did you tell the police this? >> Yes. I told them all that. >> Um, I let it go. I told her everything's going to be all right. Just stop that. You know what I mean? and she right there deleted all the accounts, all all that. So, we're fine. Last night we had a friend Joe over um sex life. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Tells me that why would she be doing that in sexual things unless there was, you know, >> something was something like that. >> Well, that's why I mean trying to be person. >> She said that she had a problem with it since he was young. >> Okay. So, she had a porn addiction, something like that, I guess. You know, and I was like, "Well, we who know in this world, you know, you know, she was like, "Wow, you've been cool about it." I was like, "What am I supposed to do months ago, Brandy?" I was like, "But thank you. It's very noble." After that, smiling, happy. I mean, last night we had a friend over. >> Maybe that's why she told me she didn't think she was a good person. I don't know. She says, "I don't think I'm a good person." And I said, "Why?" And she goes, "I don't know why." She wouldn't tell me. And then she said that um she's been having horrible, horrible thoughts and her head's just going like this. >> Well, is that because of the baby? >> I'm thinking maybe it's because of the baby. When was the baby? When did the baby die? I don't know. She never told me. >> I know she goes through these cycles once a year where it hits all of a sudden. >> Yeah, but last year I talked her through it. She was fine. But was it this time of the year? I don't remember. Okay. I mean, it could have been. >> And then she says, "I think I have to go talk to somebody." And I says, "Well, please do." And I gave her Barbara's number from the abuse place down here because it's free. >> Family let me know these things. >> Because it was only a couple days ago. >> Don't blame I mean, >> why didn't you let me know these things so we could talk it through? Because sometimes women and men want to have confidentiality with you and your >> and I didn't think it was anything real serious. >> Yeah. >> You know, and maybe that's what she was talking about when she was like, I haven't been a good life. >> Yeah, that's what she >> But I dealt with whatever, you know, I was months ago, you know, it's like I'm going to, you know, flip out on the person who's treated me the best in my whole entire life. I mean, come on, man. >> Then you flop. You guys got over it and then you were fine. Everybody fights. >> It was not a fight. It was more like an argument. We were bigger. You know, to be back. >> You did call each other nasty names and stuff like that. >> Yeah. Then he said, "Well, I'm worse than gay sometimes." So, you know, >> that's normal though. I mean, >> not really. That's your way of doing it, I guess. >> I mean, but we weren't like at each other's throat all the time or nothing like that, man. It was just once a great while we had an argument and we let it the hell go and we're fine. >> Why don't you go out and call? cuz they're trying to talk. >> I really believe it. I really believe they are. >> Just Well, if they do, they do. We're not saying anything. You've already told them all of this. So, >> all right. I'll go and call him and say anything. I don't know. I'm very >> Yeah, because that's what she told me that one last week. You came over one day. I don't know if it's Monday, Wednesday, that day, but you only were over there for a little bit, a few minutes, and she sat on the she sat outside. Maybe had to pick something up or drop. I don't know. But you were over there >> and I'm off. Yeah. >> You were over there and she sat on the swing, you know, out out front on the rocking chairs and she told me all this and I says, "Well, do you want to talk about it? We're here for you if you want to talk about it." And she said, >> "Just let me know what you've done." All right. She said, "No." And I you're innocent until proven guilty. >> I I told you what I knew. >> Don't say that. >> I did though. >> Keep Don't say anything to him. Don't talk to us anymore, Rita, because they're probably listening. I probably just refused to talk to them in the beginning. >> Well, you could have you could have pleaded the fifth fifth amendment. Say, "I want a lawyer." As soon as you said, "I want a lawyer," they have to stop talking to you. >> But I was being an honest person. >> Well, sometimes that kicks you in the ass. >> They take advantage of you >> because they can they're looking to blame something on something. Not saying that they're trying to frame you or anything. I'm not saying that at all. Sure. >> But they're trying to do their job. Okay. >> Maybe sometimes they use some what unethical tactics. >> Mhm. >> But they're just doing their job. >> Sure. >> Okay. And you have And you admit that it is kind of fishy the way she was shot. But you don't have I know. I know. But it does seem suspicious >> now that you >> you even said that. >> Yeah. But >> Okay. But don't say anymore. >> Not if she was suicidal like you said. >> Okay. So there's nothing more we can do. Uh we'll talk to Ryland for you. The whole church is praying for you. >> Yes. >> And we will talk to Ryland and we will tell him what's happening. What? >> Not all of it, but they know enough. >> They know that there was >> the suicide shooting. That's all they know. >> And they keep on telling me that they'll let me see Ryland and they won't. >> Well, maybe they will after we talk to him. You know, >> maybe they will after we talk to him because I'm the closest thing that little boy has. >> I know. I know. But like I said, we talked about this and Keith agrees that he's really not in any in the condition to bring the news to him. >> I mean, I would like to as a family. >> Well, maybe they'll let us let us do that. I'll ask him. >> You know what I mean? As a family. No matter how much you want to say, you want to take I know you want to know. Not one. [Music] You don't say nothing ever again. Talk to yourself quietly in your head. They won't let us know without your word. I'll give you my word. You and I can go talk to him, but we can't tell him what's going on. DCF has to be there when we do it. Okay. And they're not here. Are they going to listen? I don't know. Just hang. We got to We got to go. You want to come back in here? >> I I can't tell you right now. I'll talk to you in a minute. >> All right. Bye. >> Okay. They are going to let us spend some time with them, but I'm not going to tell you right now. I promised him I would not say anything. >> What do you mean? Don't just leave. >> Huh? Don't just leave me there. >> I'm not going to leave you there. Ask him if I have done. We'll see. We'll spend time with a cigarette. Ask him if I have a cigarette. Okay. All right. Then you still walk me out there. Hey, can he need to have a cigarette? [Music] Okay. >> I know. He's on my phone right now. He actually falls in the pocket. Ryland's going with his dad. >> Uh, they have to give him up. >> Uh, no one else has even tried to come see him or even ask him. >> And nobody told him. >> Nobody told him. >> Nobody told him. >> He just said she passed away. That's all. >> Nobody told him. He told the counselor just now. My mommy passed away. >> He's heard something. >> No, nobody. They've been very careful. And how did he know? >> I don't know. Maybe he thought because of shots in the police station even he's worried about you. >> He is worried about you. >> I know he is. >> And I says, "Well, don't worry about daddy. He's fine. Are you going to take daddy home?" And I says, "Well, maybe we will." I said, "But they, you know, they're talking to him. They have to talk to you because of, you know," he says, "Because are am I, is he going to go home?" >> He said something. >> Yeah, he does. And he says that uh what was it he said about uh oh about a game? I said well we can't get your game. Oh man. He said he said is that because of the yellow tape around the house. >> So he knows. >> He knows. So he's the one that he's she just came out and told us that he told her that mommy has passed away. >> How did he know? >> I don't know. They don't know. They don't know. >> Somebody must know somewhere. But I think he's smart enough and he's seen it on TV. >> You aren't He can't see you being in a police station. >> He does watch all that [ __ ] all the time. >> Yes, he probably put it together. >> He just put it all together. He's not He's a smart little guy. He knows how to do >> and he's taking it very well if he really understands. I don't think he I don't think he does. >> Maybe, maybe not. But uh he's he's worried about you. >> I know. But he's not too >> But he's not. When are they going to let my daddy go home? >> Yeah. Are you going to take daddy? No, I know. But he says, "Are they are they going to when you going to take my daddy home?" I says, "Well, would they let us take him home?" I said, "He might have to stay for a little while, but and then they give you brought up again because they got asking questions." And yeah, >> he says, "Well, they've been asking me questions." They asked me three times. They say three times they ask me different the same questions. >> I said, "Well, that's fine. just trying to find not scared. He's not >> He's fine. He's taking us like a champ right now. Anyway, it's me. >> Uh, but he's doing he's doing good. So, don't worry about him. >> Well, I am though. >> Well, I know. >> Don't worry about him. He's going home to have a sleepover, they said, at his daddy's. And >> he wanted to He says, "Well, >> well, that's not the best." >> Well, daddy and he he said, "Well, daddy said that Kira's going to come over. We're going to have to spend a night." And I says, "Well, that's not going to happen." Well, why not? Well, because you know Bri, she made plans and didn't tell any good. >> Who's that? Terra, >> nobody. Because I told Bri walked over and said Tara says she loves you here. Oh, when I was at the house, like when all that investigation stuff was going on, >> oh, maybe Bri called because I told Bri. >> Yeah. What' you say? >> She was I could have told you. I said I don't know. >> Did you also say that they [ __ ] think? No. We had no idea what was going on at that point. She called Brie right after you left. >> I mean, >> when we were we went home cuz we sat there for 3 hours. Over 3 hours. >> Any of that cuz we sat there for over proving innocent. >> I know. But >> it's just >> just like they said, just don't don't say anything to us. >> No more. >> Yeah. No more. Just you're just going to have to >> I lay on the table and go to sleep. >> Yeah. Just And you know how >> you're just going to have to relax now, man. >> I know, but you're going to have to relax. You're going to have to be strong. >> Should we leave him the number of the lawyer? >> Uh, >> you guys will deal with that. >> Well, you need to have it, too. >> What do you call? >> I got it in my phone. >> I can't call and collect. >> Oh, you got your phone, don't you? >> They won't give it to me. >> Well, you still have a right to make a phone call. Well, you already did. You called me. Well, they haven't charged you with anything. >> I don't know. I think you should have a right to contact your lawyer. >> All right. You should have a right to contact your lawyer. You got to stay here for a little while. >> I stay very long. >> No. >> With your thoughts, you know. No, it's just like you tell the truth and you didn't scoop it, you know. I haven't ate nothing. Well, you tell him you want something to eat. They got to feed you. I can't hardly even think. Well, they gave He was all excited. He gave a a happy What did he get? The little uh what was it? >> One of those >> that little tiger >> tiger thing. >> Oh, yeah. Like a Lego tiger thing. He was all excited about that. He was showing me his yo-yo. He was fine. He walked in the door, he ran over and grabbed me and gave me a big hug. Gave grandma a hug. He goes, "Grandma, grandma." I know he wants to see me and I don't know he does, but it's just they won't let him. Why? I don't know. >> Well, maybe, you know, maybe it would upset him see you seeing him because you're going to break down when you see him and that will upset him. You understand that? >> I know. But how everybody's thinking is, you know, it's a process, Keith. It's a process. Well, it, you know, think of it this way. If it was the other way around, okay. >> Yeah. >> And and it happened to you. Okay. How do you think that if you were the us or them? >> But how would you think? I mean, you would you would think, well, maybe something happened. Maybe the other person did it to him. >> I mean, that's that is a thought that comes in your Sure. And how it looks just by by everything that's Yeah. But they they may not even know the facts. We know. >> Yeah. Because we've been here. They have not. >> And it could have been an accident. Maybe she was was moving. That's what I thought. >> That's the first thing I thought. I don't know. Forensics hotel keys. >> Cuz why would he have looked at them? That doesn't make sense. >> Because she was moving them. That makes sense. Maybe >> probably getting them out of the drawers for Ryland and put it >> wasn't in the drawer. It was in the side of the bed. You know the item. It was in the side of the bed. I had them both like this. >> Oh, they were in both together. >> Well, they were both Yeah. >> So they were both on one side. >> Yeah. >> Well, that would make sense. >> Again, forensics will tell. >> Yeah. It'll it'll I think it'll I'm not I don't know anything about that stuff, but I would think that the angle of whatever that is struck will determine if it was this way or this way. >> Sure. >> If they fell, it would be up. I'm sure that >> they already took a test. I didn't shoot no guns. So, >> that's fine. You didn't touch anything in there, did you? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> You didn't touch the guns or anything, did you? >> I mean, last night. Well, that's last night. to bring them into the room. >> Well, yeah, your fingers are princely going to be on there because they're yours, of course. >> Yeah. I mean, but the main thing is there's no residue. >> But then you took a shower. >> But I didn't have time to even use up. Doesn't matter. >> Anyway, I mean, you going to talk about that? >> Why would she wait until I took a shower if it was a suicide thing? >> I think it was an accident to be quite honest. >> I don't know. Me, too. If she said she was going to make breakfast, hey boo, you know, Keith said, get out of here. >> Did she take that wrong? >> Maybe people snap Keith. >> And maybe she didn't. Maybe she was just doing stuff and she she like you said, she tripped and fell. That could be possible, especially since that one didn't have a safety. >> I don't know, Keith. All I know is the forensics are going to tell. I don't know if the other one that said he was off on it. >> I don't know. Well, again, if you weren't in there, you don't know >> exactly. And they're trying to rack my brain or something. They're just they're doing they're just doing their job, Keith. But you might be going over a little bit, but it does look suspicious. >> Sure. Even you admit that. Sure. But, you know, I'm not going to be accused of something that I really didn't do. Well, you don't have any choice about that. If they accuse you, they accuse you. You have no choice. Keep you. Just keep your mouth shut. What? You hear me? >> Yeah. >> Keep your mouth shut and stay in good spirits. >> It's hard. >> I know it's hard. Especially when you got to have to do it all >> and you're tired. >> And you're tired. I've been all day. >> They got you. You're fatigued and they're going to try to break you down. >> Oh, I can break their own. >> Don't say another word. That's all I have to say. They can't really ask you anything now anyway. The lawyer said that she was going to try to call back up here again. Is it going to seem like I heard her say it's probably not going to do any good? They're probably going to put you in jail for what? By the time they get done, they're keeping you here. Here's what I'm thinking. And you think the same thing. They're keeping you here until they get the search warrant and they search everything and they find the pot. I don't matter. >> That's why they're charged here so they can charge you. >> Charge me with [ __ ] weed. I don't give a that's very >> it's going to make a big difference. >> No, it's the lawyer said anything over a certain amount is basically the same unless you got pounds and pounds and pounds of it or something. I don't know. I don't know the law. All I know is you told them they know >> they have to find it. >> They have They're going to have to find it. You what you told is just hearsay. They have to have the physical evidence. >> Yeah. >> Once they have the physical evidence, they'll arrest you. >> So be it. Well, so what they're doing is they're just trying to say, you know what, why do we have to go hunting down? They're probably they might be afraid you're going to run. >> What the hell for? >> Well, it's just the way they're suspicious. >> We need to get a power of attorney or something and get be able to get money out of your bank. >> Yes, definitely. >> But how are we going to do that? Do they have your cards? >> My car doesn't in my car. >> It's in the car >> and we can't car in my cell phone. >> Well, you tell him that we want that. See if they'll give you the keys. It's my car. It's in my >> No, no, no. It's in the truck. >> Oh, in the middle console. >> But if you give us power attorney, we can take that in and we can get your lawyer money out. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, they'll figure that out. >> Who's going to marry me? >> Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that, >> Keith. Don't even worry. Deserves it. >> I know a good But you know something? Don't Your main concern right now is you. It's my family. >> I know that, Keith. But you can't do anything if you're in here. >> Yeah. So, keep your spirits, okay? Pray. All right. Continue to do that. One dude said he knows you and chaplain. Yeah. He knows me. He knows you drive on the airport and all that. He does all that, >> you know. So, anyways, your mom are good people and they're your support group. Yeah. And he's like, "You're lucky." But you stay cop positive. Okay. I know it's not easy. >> They do charge you. You tell them, "I need to write out a power attorney so my mom can be my lawyer." >> Well, your lawyer can do that. Your lawyer that >> because you know I don't even if they do find it, they can't really. I don't think they can get into your bank account. They might be able to, but I don't think they can. Only in the house. >> You can approve the check was legit. >> Yeah. It can all be proven. >> No, it wasn't like But if they let you go, they might let you go tomorrow. Who knows? >> I don't know. But >> But you know you're going to be charged. You know that for a fact. >> Oh, but we >> Yeah. So, go bail me out. Whatever. >> Whatever. >> Well, you can't do it without money. You can't bail yourself out. >> Sarah put her whole $1,000 check in. >> Yeah. >> I'm sure Michelle will find a way to bail me out. >> We'll figure it out somehow. But, you know, until then, you just could have to >> I'd lay on the floor if nothing else. >> Yeah. Just say, "Listen, can I you know what? Let me know what's going on. Can I sit on the couch or something?" Where do you want to go in here? >> The door's not locked. >> No, I think I'm doing a letter. I mean, >> I just curl up and lay in the floor and say, "Can I get a pillow or something? Tell them you're hungry." >> And they got to feed you. >> I mean, I don't even know if I have one I ain't got one charge to my name and ever. >> I know. They know that. So, >> well, the only thing you have is that that restraining order and your lawyer knows all about it. Oh, well that she was an idiot. >> It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. >> Yeah, she was crazy. >> Well, it doesn't matter. That's not violent. >> No, I've never been violent ever. >> You know, >> that that doesn't mean anything. Everybody's capable of violence. >> Sure. >> Everybody's capable of snapping. >> Sure, but that quick. >> Come on, man. >> Again, I'm just being advocate, you know. >> I would my wife. I wouldn't think so. Hey, who the hell does that? Well, some people do. >> Yeah, I got you. But like who the you know with you with your even just your demeanor shows that I wish they thought the same thing as you. >> No, they're doing their job, Keith. >> I mean, think of it that way. They're doing their job to make sure that all the tees are crossed and the eyes are dotted. Okay, >> they have a little night hours. >> They break. It's a weekend. Number one, it is a weekend. And number two, they're waiting for the best thing I did. It's like, go ahead, then. Go ahead. Maybe, >> you know, maybe, maybe not. I don't know. >> Go ahead. >> But for right now, just shut up. >> Do as your lawyer tells you to do. >> I'm not saying anything that I haven't told them. So, >> don't even say anything like that. She >> I have nothing to say. I >> I've told you everything I got to say. I'm I'm >> I'm done. I'm done. You talk to my lawyer. >> Does his dad know what's wrong? >> Yes. >> Did he lost? >> Did he talk to his dad? >> No. He's going to be here soon. I don't even know what he looks like. >> Well, how all of the papers and [ __ ] are looking, man? Is >> I don't know. They're trying to make me look out to be some. >> No, not really. They jerk from blue light and all the what the lawyer said. >> I lawyer said that. And even this cop said the same thing. That's not good. think that person is wrong. >> What he does is he listen to police scanners. He goes there and shows up and what a scumb down like, you know, he looked at me. He says, "How you how are you?" And I says, "This is going to be inspected." He said, "Do you want to say something to me?" >> Yeah. >> And I said, "No." And I said, >> "No." >> He goes, "Okay." He said, "I respect that." I says, "Please respect our privacy." Sure. >> And I walked away. >> You know, the neighbors probably think I need something. >> No, no, no. The neighbors aren't supporting support of you. >> Good. >> The ones that I talked to, there was that one guy over there with a dog like a pitbull or whatever. >> He says, "We're a we're we're a neighborhood here. We look out for each other. You know, Keith's a good guy. We, you know, we want the best for him and >> that's all we are. That's all we want." That one guy was a jerk, but that was okay. >> I apologized to him cuz I was really stressed. The dude that's right next door. >> No, down at >> No. Across the street next door to the one. >> Hey, we've had problems with him in our yard. >> No, no, no, no. There was a guy came up from the next block. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Drunk. >> Drunk. It seemed like he was drunk or weird. Anyway, he come up >> the white guy with white hair. >> And he asked, he says, "Well, what's going on?" >> And said, and the cop says, "Well, this is a personal issue." He goes, "Well, what's going on? I live right over there." And I said, "Sir, this is personal. You know, it's time to move along." Yeah, >> just leave us be. This is a personal issue and he just kind of he almost said something else and I yelled my tongue, >> but he sachiated away. >> And I also told him how the cop was very rude to you. >> He was and I told him that >> he wouldn't they wouldn't even let me come over >> I don't know. >> They said no, you cannot go over there. You have to stay away from him. >> And I just I talked to >> go to your vehicle and say >> I just walked up to his mother. >> I just walked up to him. I just walked up to the guy and I said and he says, "Uh, who are you?" And I says, "Well, Keith is my son >> and I'd like to talk to him. I want to be let him know that I'm here to support him even if I can't talk to him at least, you know." >> And he said, and the cop says, "Well, he's not charged with anything. He's not under arrest." I said, "Well, can I talk to him?" He goes, "Well," said the door's open. >> Yeah. >> He knew I needed somebody. So, I just walked right over to let me come. They say all you girl, all you people need to get in your cars. >> Because Michelle tried to walk to me and she said, "What happened?" And I said, she said, "Count, you know." >> So I he let me come over and break. He He couldn't handle it. I know. >> I know. He's falling. >> He's He's really serious. He's >> He's worried about drunker and [ __ ] >> He's worried about me, too. >> I know. We all are. We're worried about Ryland, too, you know. But Ryland's being a trooper. Got to give him credit. But how the hell did he know he figured it out? And now he's worried about me cuz I know she is too. He's with the [ __ ] >> or she's knows that she's okay. But now she's worried about me too and that's why. >> But you know something, it's weird that he knows. Part of it is just being very smart and putting all the pieces to the puzzle together. >> Oh, he might have heard me in the empty. No, he didn't hear anything. You know, he heard nothing. >> And no one said that she was No one said that she was >> He just came out and said, "I don't know." >> I didn't even know until I was already Well, you knew, but >> Well, I knew, but not for sure. >> Not around him. >> No, no one said anything to him. He gave me a big hug and stuff. >> Yes, sir. [Music] >> Can I talk to you real quick? >> Yeah. Both of us? >> Just you? >> Okay. Give me a big hug, you know. [Music] Hey, give me a big hug and stuff. You know, I want to come along with you, daddy. He's fine, though. He really is. That's good. That's real good. If they ask you anything, just say, "I'm done talking. You just get me from just keep doing it over and over and over how much [ __ ] money it cost. I know I know you didn't. It's like you're not a violent person. It's like man. >> Hello. >> Hi. This is Monica. Uhhuh. You want to talk to Keith? >> Okay. Hello. Hi. Okay. [Music] >> No, it's me. Uh, >> it's me. I'm Keith. It's me. >> Who's that? >> She's talking to the attorney. >> Yes. >> Oh, okay. He's talking to attorney here. >> Yes. >> My name's Keith. I don't have anything further to say. I've already told you guys what I had to say three times. I'm not repeating myself. >> How is this Miranda's number two? That's Yeah, that's Miranda, too. >> That's both of them. But they work together. >> So, okay. So, basically, >> they're going to take that away from you anyway. I can't use paper. Well, >> they're going to take your jeans. Well, if I have to. Oh, because my finger. >> It's your blood that can be proven. Get >> the [ __ ] out of here. >> Look at this. I've had this for my since last Sunday on Easter. >> Only reason why >> Kathy's Walker, you know that little like thing that comes out the side. It went like this right down in my hand and then it went into a soda bottle, A&W root beer bottle, and it went all over my car. Only reason why they want my clothes is because guess what? >> That's fine. >> There's no gunpowder cuz I didn't do nothing. You know, that's that's the shittiest part of the situation, man. I have enough to deal with and then go, you know what I mean? Just start breaking. >> This shit's ridiculous. I mean, how long am I going to be here? >> Till 5 or 6 in the morning. They're going to try to break you down. And then what? What? What? >> Well, you don't. You're not going to have her. Just stay like that. As long as your back will handle it. Yeah. >> I mean, that's why the rooms are so little, cuz they're hoping you're claustrophobic. I mean [ __ ] I'd rather be in jail. I lawyers are pretty good though, huh? He's a pretty good guy. It's the only one we could get a hold of. The only one that had to answer the phone on a Saturday. I mean, it's just it's nuts. Like, cuz when we saw that thing on Flight Live, I said it like and then they wouldn't release you when they should have. We said, "No, we're going to have to we're going to call somebody." Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Because uh this is ridiculous, man. And they had to have $1,000 down. Whatever. >> And Sarah said, "I'll pay it." >> Um they are going to make up a power of attorney for you right now. That's what they're doing. They're making up a power of attorney. So you can get my bank and to just get it all out cuz I 29,000 hours in there. You should have been 40. I had been everything. >> I don't care. I don't care. Mom, >> you guys should have saved some money. >> I mean, we just got this. We just got that. >> I know, but you should have saved. >> We got to do the wedding. And >> I know Brady said you just got a bow tie and for your wedding, >> you know, another your your official How do they feel? Right. Sebast case. Gary's really upset. She says, "I know we've had our differences, but he's my brother and and what they're doing to him is bullshit." They're just trying to tell me, but I did something I didn't do. Then don't say a word because the more you say, the more they can twist. >> Yeah. Well, they can twist themselves into because it's not going to admit something that's not a joke. They're going to try to make you. >> They can do all they want. >> Don't listen to doctor. >> I'm not going to. Says no. So that's not that's going to cost me a [ __ ] fortune. Oh, because someone made a bad decision or because an accident. Man, this is ridiculous. I think that I think she probably was going to take them and put them up or do something with them and she tripped and fell like you said. >> I don't know though. >> I know. Nobody knows. >> Like it's nuts. >> Nobody knows what happened, but something happened. I should have just had her come in the shower with me like I regularly would, you know. >> Yeah. It's you can't say should have would have cuz I I I do that and say I should have talked to her more that day she was depressed. I should have talked to her. I should have talked to her. I should have talked to her. >> But nobody let me know about it. That's the thing. That's what you know. >> But I didn't know you know >> and she told me I told her I'd give her give the number to you know nauseous. I've gotten real nauseous, man, because it's like just thinking about, you know, she's really gone and and all that. I I just I it comes and goes, you know what I mean? >> I know you're numb. Like I'll get nauseous and then I'll sweat a lot and then I'll be like and then I'll be like I got to get strong and then >> I just rest my head on that pillow that Kleenex box. >> It's ridiculous, man. >> And just lay down. >> Oh my god. This is just nuts. Nuts. until the credit and I was like honest, you know, this is crazy, man. >> Well, I know you didn't do it. >> Me, I do, but a lot of people go for something. >> No, we're just praying for you. You've got a lot of people in prison. You didn't do anything wrong. >> I know that for a fact. >> No, I just the rest I push the rest of the world. >> They will like I can't live here no more, man. >> Keep thinking positive. I definitely can't go back to that house and live. >> No, but he's going to have to give you that money back. >> I definitely can't for a year. He's going to have to give you the money back. >> I mean, you give him 30 days and he's got to give you the rest of the money back. And if he spend it, he's in trouble. >> I mean, I know probably Nazi violent no more, you know. And that's going to tear right apart, too. He can't leave. He can't. >> Don't even think of all that stuff. >> It's just going to get you depressed. Just don't. If you can't lose both parents, daddy's really got just try to get some sleep. Huh? >> Relax and try to get some sleep as much as you can. was crazy. I wish I wish I knew the little story, you know. I don't think she did it on her because I think she fell cuz if she wasn't upset in the morning, I think she she probably was going to move him and she fell. >> And I said, "Ah, go away." But did she take that? >> She could have. In her frame of mind, you never know. >> Well, I didn't know what frame of mind she is cuz no one said nothing to me. >> Not even her, you know. >> Mhm. >> She had no reason to be depressed because we let that [ __ ] go, man. you know, and it's and I'm fortunate, man. And I don't know how to deal with this. Nobody does. >> I mean, but all you have to keep remember is you pray and you trust God to help you. >> I do trust God. I'm saying you pray about it and trust God to protect you and help you. >> Mhm. and keep your mind focused on that. And they was like, "Was she on any other drugs?" And I was like, "No, not that I know of." I mean, she was hiding [ __ ] from me. I mean, I won't I do not know. And it's it's crazy, man. So, I know he's protecting me and all, but But, you know, it's like >> I said like it was an accident. >> I really do. >> She was in the bedroom >> and she was going to move the guns back out in the bedroom >> or whatever >> or wherever you kept them. >> I could see her doing that and tripping and falling and >> maybe one went off and then it hit the floor and another one went off. >> Yeah. is when she felt what she looked for. >> Yeah. No. And of course only my prints are on the damn the actual child. Of course. Of course my friends are on it. >> You love it. >> Yeah. It was too weak. You know, I mean it's just it don't make all of it don't make sense to me, you know. That's crazy. >> Did Ryland know you were in the shower? >> Yeah, but he he had to so loud, you know. That's why I mean I walk out soaking wet. I mean paid attention watching TV. >> I don't know. [Music] It's just I just I don't I don't know how to process this. I want to go home and grieve, man. >> I know you do. You need to be with your family right now. >> And no one can understand that. >> They don't care. You know, just like I've had enough to go through. I mean, my whole family split up. >> Your whole world apart. >> You have no idea. It's going to take me a long time. A really long time. >> I said I can stay with you guys for a while. So, >> where? >> I don't care. >> We'll find room. All I know is I can't go back to that house yet. Well, >> of course not. >> I can't. I'll break down. >> No, of course not. Nobody would expect you to, you know. I went down and I don't, you know, it's just crazy. I know. It's hard to wrap your head around. >> It's like it's a bad bad nightmare. You know, >> I know. And I never thought I was going to be in this situation ever. Like, >> no. Who would? >> You're not that kind of person. >> It's crazy, you know? And it's just like, [ __ ] But my lawyer said that they're on my side and, you know, at least they believe me. Well, it's their job, too, I guess. But you know, it's like, am I going to be locked away for something I didn't do? That's [ __ ] man. Is there a way I can drugs going to take you down? >> You know that weed and that other thing weed that is the weed brain said you have weed. Each one of that is a company. It's weed. fish. I told you that I hold you once. Well, it's warm for her, you know, to keep her head right and, you know, all that stuff. CBD worked. I guess you only d-stressed her because when she was high, she was happy. most of the time. And what the hell that does any of my DNA to see if there's any on course there's not on the gun or like your DNA would be on the gun. That's just stupid. So, you know, I let God take care of it. I know that I did not. Keep repeating this. No weapon formed against me shall prosper. Remember that and say it over and over and over. It's just I know what to do. I need to go to sleep. That's what you need to do. >> I just want to go and, you know, sleep and grieve. You know, it's it's something that I'm definitely led to. It's something that no one should have to go through, >> you know, but they don't care. I thought it's unfortunate once the forensics are done. >> Sure. >> But how long did that take? It seems like this whole process takes forever. A detective was supposed to tell to come and talk to me and Gary >> and we waited for 3 or 4 hours. >> Jesus. >> And we finally said, "Hey, I have to bathroom. I'm I'm thirsty. Can we go home?" >> I forgot. >> Who was with you there? >> Just me and your dad. >> No, like heaven was there or something. No, they all left. And Braden finally took his your dad's car back. >> How's Michelle taking it? >> Everybody. Michelle flew out the door cuz I was at her house when you called. >> Mhm. >> Picking up heaven for work. Gotcha. And goes, "What?" He just And the shell's running around. Brain's running around. Then they get in the car and they then I called Sarah and Sarah says, "You've got to come and get me. You've got to come and get me." So I went and then I went straight over there. >> You were there before that. Michelle was there before anybody >> because she was at the house. I was at her house. I pulled out and she flew down the street. >> How did she even know you called her? I told you I was at her house and she called Carrie on the way. >> That's why Carrie called me. She was like, "Do you need me?" I was like, "Come now." I was like, "Yeah, she was closest." >> Yeah. Was that serious? You got to come and get me. You got to come and get me. So, I stopped by the house. >> Yeah. Carrie was there. So I came to the house and and uh >> what's even her optic? H >> the street on my back. >> Yes. >> And I know I know my shells. No brain. I feel it's best. I'm the only one he's got left as he's a buddy. And like this Fly Girl wife said, "Well, there used to be a girl going in and out, but we haven't seen her in a while either. And there was another boy that was going in and out. We haven't seen him either." I'm like, "What the hell?" They're talking about Braden and they're talking about Joanna and he was over last night. I'm tired. >> You're tired. >> I know. You have to be exhausted. >> Sarah's just drunk. So, she's going to be >> any call, Braden. [Music] >> Not here. >> Mhm. Not here. >> What? >> Okay. Or maybe that could be They do dance cuz we had to get Oh [ __ ] They won't even give me back. Well, I [Music] This is crazy. [Music] Can you take one of these down there? Lay your head on you. I'm trying to go through my whole entire I wish you could listen to us before. >> I wish you would listen to Paul one. Oh god, I'm stiff. Very, very stiff. You are. >> Get up and walk around. >> What the hell? My house for Oh, this feels better. [Music] >> Hello. >> I just wanted to >> I'm fine. Come on. I'm about to sleep on the floor. >> Okay. J98.com. >> Okay. >> We're going to get that if you have a phone. >> Are we going to communicate that to Gary to rent that out? >> Well, he's going to come back. He's just getting his clothes and he's going to come back. >> Oh, he doesn't want to take my clothes. >> Right. But I mean, this would be an ideal time to get it notorized. There's got to be a notary there and two witnesses. I don't >> Hello. >> Hello. A lawyer just called you. She wanted your email. >> Okay. >> Because we're trying to get a power of attorney so we can get Keith's money out to pay the lawyer. And um she tried Michelle too and then we got disconnected. So, um, if it >> your dad's phone's here, she wanted it signed while we were here and somebody's going to have to print it and bring it over so we can have a notary, but >> now bring it over. >> That's what she wants. But I tried Michelle and I don't know if Michelle has ink or if she answered cuz we got disconnected. Well, I have ink and I can print it out, but I can't bring it over because she's gone with my man and God. We don't really >> Well, let me She might even be talking to Michelle, but I'll try to call Michelle and find out. >> I love her. >> Michelle made something for hergo. >> And then the other one's got ink. >> Her ink dried up on >> Yeah, so did ours. I have to drive over. I could >> tell her it's like >> Yeah. But um if she could email it to you and tell her I love her, >> then I could have Gary maybe if I can catch him before he comes here, stop by and get it. >> Okay. Well, you have my email, don't you? No, I don't know what your email is. >> Well, then write it down. >> I can't. I don't have a pen. >> Where are you at? >> Hang on. She's on the other line. Hello. >> You already told me for the DNA. >> Something bugs me though. Ryland said he heard a scream and then two pops. Did anybody check Ryland for residue? Maybe he touched one of them. >> What? Maybe he he played with the guns, >> but it was impossible. >> I was in the goddamn shower. He knew she was dead. >> No one told her. And I told the officer and the officer said, "Well, his dad told him that she was that he was shot or that she was shot." No, he knew that anyway. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He says, "You want to pursue this?" And I says, "Well, got to have a side. >> It's up to you, Keith. You want to pursue?" >> I could have been playing with the guns cuz he's taking this pretty cool just in case. >> Yeah. >> Cover all your bases just in case. But that's up to you. >> Yes. Just in case >> because he would he could have been playing with the guns and he could have shot her. >> He said he heard a scream. But there was no scream, but I couldn't hear it anyway cuz I was in the shower. He said he heard the officer told us that, didn't he? He told us that he heard a scream. And if he heard a scream and then two pops, he thought he heard a scream and then two pops. >> Okay. My mom's passed away. >> Maybe he thought he heard a scream and he came in there trying to protect her. >> I don't I'm not going to I don't know. Maybe she saw a bug and she went up. >> Listen to what I'm saying. >> I know that's up to you, but I think you need to cover all the blame. No, >> of course not. But I'm not going to blame myself. >> He should be checked. >> But he should be checked. I just saw him. I He was down there. >> Grandma, he jumped in my arms immediately. >> You better have him checked. >> The cop says, "Do you want to go there?" And I says, "Well, let me talk to you." So you need to tell him if you want him to proceed on a whole basis >> cuz kids that could be. But how could he bother her? >> I'm I'll talk to >> He can't talk to you. >> Oh, you can't talk to him. Oh, okay. But I can speak for him. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Just All right. I got >> Wait for me. Okay. >> It could be possible. >> I wouldn't think so. >> Oh, man. It could be possible, Keith, because he didn't know. He was probably playing around with them. Didn't think they were loaded. >> But when I But when I seen him, he was laying in his bed where he was. Well, yeah. If he sees your mom falling on the floor, he's going to go back to his room. He's not going to stay there. >> I mean, it's possible, but I doubt it. I really doubt. >> Why did he say he scream? He didn't. How did he know? Nobody told him. >> Only the thing that he could have heard is me yelling, "Call 911 on anybody." You know, cuz that's just a reaction what you do. You know what I mean? Call 911 on anybody. He said he heard two pops after scream and then two pops. That makes no sense because I was in the shower and she was in the room. She just popped her head through. I don't know. But it's possible. >> So they are going to release me. >> No, she said they were going to let you go, but they didn't know when. And they said tomorrow. They're going to finish the investigation or something or whatever. And then they might rearrest you tomorrow. >> Oh. Well, >> but she I said, "Well," I said, "Well, when are they going to release them?" And she says, "I don't know." No. She says, "I'm about. I'm going to have to take my clothes and then they're going to leave it to me. I just want to go sleep. >> How did Ryland know that she was dead? Nobody told her. We were told when we went out not mention her death. We could we could just say that she was at the hospital. >> Did he see the blanket over her when they took her out? I didn't even see her being taken out. >> They didn't? She's still there. So, how that's what we're saying. How did he >> No, unless she told him from heaven. >> No, she didn't. He cuz he said my mom passed away just like that. And he's being all calm. >> How does she know? >> I don't know. Nobody has. We were told that if we even I wanted to tell them for a long time. >> Even if we even said a word that we were going to have to leave. I wanted to tell him myself. Nobody told him. That's my point. Nobody has spoke to him. The the DCF officer was sitting in a room with a bunch of toys and a TV in there. She never told him. Nobody's told. And the DC officers came back out when she was going to place them. And she says he's already told me my mom passed away. How? I don't know. Wow, man. So basically, I'll have I can't go to the crime scene. So we'll have to go to my bank at first thing in the morning. We'll have to go to my bank and I'm just going to take it all out. >> She says he's already talked to the officer about um getting money out. >> What she did? >> Oh, about how how we're going to go about that. So you may be able to get your card or something. It's in my truck. Beep beep. That's it. You know, so maybe he'll tell them, radio them up there, you know, so I can at least get in my car and get, you know, whatever I need to get. If they arrest me on pop, they rest me on pop. >> Yeah, >> that's not a big deal. It's really not. But now I got to go home and say I was going to be the That's how >> you have a large amount that's in. >> It's on one. It's on two things. It's only like a quarter round. It's not any of them had. I don't know. But that's that could be a possibility cuz I don't know how he knew. I Nobody said a word to him. I kept everything away from him and he was in the squad car in front of me. When my child looked at me and I said, "Nobody told him, nobody." He told somebody earlier that his mom got shot and the ambulance took her to the hospital. Mhm. >> Now, why did he say that my mom's dead? I don't know because he has not been around anybody. >> I know he hasn't been around nobody. >> I mean it and the officer >> and Gary goes, "How did he know that?" >> And the officer wouldn't let me tell him. I wanted to tell him a couple times, you know, because I think >> they wouldn't let us tell me that. >> I think it should come from me. You know what I mean? That's what I wanted. >> He he says, "When when can Keith go?" And he and he told and then the DCF worker came in and he told her that my mom passed away. How the hell? I don't know. That makes no sense. A lot of this don't make no sense, Mom. It really don't. You know, I'm going to go to your house. I'm going to eat cry with you guys. If if it's at a reasonable time, >> it don't matter. I stay here and tell them not. I mean, it's I got to change clothes, man. I mean, it's just I don't know how to move on with life. I know it's going to be hard. I'm going to be really [ __ ] up for a long time >> cuz she was good for you and you were good for her cuz you understood each other. I'm going to be really messed up for a long time. So, I know. >> Just Just bear with me. >> But don't blow up. >> It's hard not to. >> I know. But if you blow up, then it it just makes it worse. >> Have you ever lost the love of your life? >> Every time you get mad at and you drink and you blow up, there's so many things I regret that I didn't You're going to have to say grief counsel. >> So many things I regret I didn't say. If I would have known, if I would have known there's so many things, you know, I would have said, "Oh, come on." You know, now I know. I would have said I wouldn't have said go away. He You didn't know. And he didn't. Did Did you say go away meanly? Well, then always always watch what you say to people. >> Yeah, I know. You never know when it's going to be the last time. I'm worried about I just mentioned one of the >> You should have told her to come in the shower, but that's here's like Sarah said, I should have told I should have not cancelled on Wednesday night. I should have called I should have went anyway and I should have, you know, talked to her and she's beating herself up a bit about that, too. And you know, there's nothing you could have done. You like me. I I could have talked to her. I didn't know. >> I need to talk to Pastor Mike >> or Jeff. >> Mike's I'm closer to He's the younger Jeff. Whatever. >> They both have five kids and they're both in their 50s. This is crazy, man. I should have to go through this. I know. Keith, we love Brandy like a daughter. I mean, she was good for you. You were good for her. You understood her and she understood you. >> I will never marry her again. That's it for me. >> That will come in time. >> That's completely it for me. >> I know. And you you just guys just got your >> I'll never be close to somebody again. You just got just got your wedding that your official wedding. >> I will never be close to anybody either. >> I'm afraid this is going to ruin you out. >> That's not good. You You can pull yourself up. You start going to church. God will lift you up. Then your family's going to blame you. I got to move out of the state like out of the town or something. I would not care. I'm sure we will burn him though. When this is all over with, I can strongly consider can always move up to I don't know. We can afford to move. Or you can move to Iowa with Sarah cuz she's probably going to go. I I don't know, Mom. I don't know. [Music] Where to go? >> You got it on your lip. >> I don't give a [ __ ] >> Well, I know, but I don't know where to go from here. >> I know you don't. It's going to be a long haul. >> I couldn't believe it even happened. >> You couldn't imagine reacting to that. See mom the worst part I don't know if you can hear us the worst part is her eyes >> and she couldn't say anything. >> That was the worst part of it all is I couldn't help her. >> Yeah, I bet it was. It's hard to see and you're going to remember that forever. I need my family more than anybody. >> I know every single >> Everybody is there for you, Keith. We know you didn't do this. You're not that type of person. >> I know. It's just I don't know how I'm going to live life and handle it afterwards. He's so lonely. God's going to be there and he's going to lift you up and he's going to take care of you. He will. [Music] It's the only one that I actually truly got along and love her with. And I'm not going to find that again. >> No, you won't. >> No, I don't want to. [Music] [Music] That was his sister. Who's >> Gary? Audrey. >> Okay. He's probably telling me to pray. I'm not going to talk about me. And Crystal needs to let me talk about >> Well, she's about to lose her. >> I helped her. >> She's got to go to um >> and then >> she's already went to court. [ __ ] They wanted me to put $5,000 on the bond out scooter. I got my own [ __ ] to >> $5,000 for what? >> The bond out scooter. No way. I don't gave her $480 to pay her [ __ ] and to get her phone back on. What else do you want from me, man? I ain't made money. I mean, I got to bury my wife, which I don't even know if I can go to the funeral. >> Just about ready to lose her kids because the judge she already had to go to court and the judge um said that he would let her know in a week or two what his decision was. My dad ain't going to take my gun himself at all. I want nobody in the family to even [ __ ] have one at all. You don't need to be around a gun anyway, Keith. I just don't want nobody in the family to have one cuz like you have to go into a deep depression. For one thing, you don't leave them on your couch. I might know what they were or in your bed. Brian apparently knew where they were. I don't know if he did or not. I don't know what happened. And that's the whole thing of it all. And only she knows. She can't tell us. Wish you could tell me. [Music] I'm just like, "No, I just I don't have any cuz I'm just like, no." >> You're numb. >> And you're breaking down. At least you're getting it out. I haven't even >> I haven't even been >> because I my mind is just my dad did when you hugged me on the way to your house. I need to see Braden if he needs me. I just hope they don't wake up till 4:00 in the morning. [Music] Needs me, Mom. I know. I mean, he was over there almost every day. Cuz your dad's got a point. How did Riley know? >> Yeah. How about blame a little kid? >> Of course not. But it wouldn't He didn't do it on purpose. If he did, I think he was just if he did, he was playing with them and he went in there and went pow pow and went, "Oh my god, he knows better than to touch him." No, things have happened, Keith. And he's really, >> but he will be. If he knew his mom's dead, why wouldn't he be upset and crying? He is so calm. I don't think he grasped the concept of it. >> He said my mom passed away. That's what he told the social worker. But did somebody along the way say something? No. He's way back here and in a little room like it's bigger than this one with toys and stuff and a TV. Yeah, but I can't even imagine what her parents. >> And he was only in a towel. He had a blanket wrapped around him. >> Yeah. >> And underwear, I think. >> Yeah. Because >> shorts or something. >> Yeah. He just woke up not long ago. I don't know when he woke up because I wasn't up yet. I mean, this is nuts. This is just nuts. Maybe he didn't do it. Or I don't know what happened. Maybe Randy Bell. All I know is none of us know. >> All I know is I didn't do it. And it's it's very I don't have enough to deal with [ __ ] trying to say this and that and detain me and like what the hell is wrong with them, man? Obviously, they haven't had someone that close to their husband or wife. something like that happened and it's hard to do it because you don't know what happened. >> I don't and I wish I did. You'd give me some closure, you know. And her mom is probably like, you know how she's a [ __ ] like me because I had guns in the house. I guarantee you. Why would they lock you? Because we always keep two. One for me, one for her. We always keep two. >> Only at night. >> Yeah. Yeah. In the daytime, we really didn't, you know, much care. I just woke up. I just got into the shower. I wish she could have spoke because I'm pretty sure she would have said something to me, you know. But who knows when her eyes roll back? Well, he said that uh Rana's dad's picked him up. I seen him in the hallway. Grandpa, you know, uh he said that I don't think they're going to do any any residue. Uh but they will test the gun. >> Okay. >> Uh and uh for DNA. >> Sure. Well, mine's going to be on it anyway. >> Well, I understand. But if there's anybody other than hers and yours. >> Okay. Uh if if someone else is on there, then they'll go a different avenue. Um I don't know what >> I don't know. I don't know. Keith, >> you looked like you had something to say. >> I I I don't know what to say. >> Yeah. He was saying, >> you know, I mean, >> he says, >> like I said, you know, you know, but I mean there are things that that are very suspicious. Can you admit that? Sure. >> But he said there unless he was remembering when I was screaming afterwards to call 911. >> I don't know. That's that's kind of moved at this point. >> Uh they are going to let you go. They're going to do your once they do your execute this security or your clothes. Take your clothes. >> Uh they are going to take your clothes and uh uh once and they're going to then they're going to call it the other one cuz they're executing that right now. Okay. at the house. Okay. >> And they're going to let you go now. >> I got to stay at your house, right? >> No. >> You can't go back there. >> Yeah. >> I said you would stay at our house. >> Of course I will. >> And you know, he says, "Well, you know, uh they don't really they can't they don't really have any any enough >> enough to charge you with anything at this point." >> Sure. Well, cuz I didn't. But that doesn't mean they won't. >> Sure. Uh, >> I don't know what happened. I mean, the only thing that they attract me with is being stupid and leaving it out. >> I I don't know, Keith. I >> It wasn't out. It was in your bed. >> Yeah, exactly. All I know is it's a horrible situation. There's no easy answer. >> No, Keith says, >> "And whatever the truth may be, it will come out." exposure. >> Well, whatever the truth may be, it will come out. >> Cuz I wish I knew. >> The forensics will prove everything. >> Yeah. >> Without a shadow of a doubt. >> Sure. >> Whether you you did it, or now listen, I'm just You know what we're talking about. I told you this before. I know you can't rule anything out. >> Whether you did it, someone else did it, or it was an accident. >> The forensics will tell it. Okay? And that's all we can say at this point >> is that the forensics will prove it. >> You know, Keith's go. >> I don't know, Keith. But I should have never I should have told her to get in shower with my dad. >> Well, should have, could have, would have. Doesn't make any difference at this point. Keith, >> I said, you didn't say it rudely. He said I didn't say it rudely. I just said, "Oh, you know, >> I know, but you know, I mean, that sounds kind of weird, too. You know, you do that and that, then she goes out and commits suicide. That doesn't make sense either." I know I'm getting, you know, none of this makes sense. Any of it. I just wish I knew. Well, you know, all I can say, Kate, is whatever happens, we love you and we'll always stick behind you. Whatever happened, >> that is what happened. Well, I I'm taking your word. I'm not saying you're lying. I want you to know that we love you no matter what. >> I mean, I might spend >> People make mistakes. I might spend some time for, you know, leaving the gun out or >> I don't know, >> whatever. But they're going to cut you loose. I don't know. Unless they find something at the house that they can charge you with. I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know when. >> Yeah. >> What? >> And who knows when? >> Once they get your clothes and they and they Well, they're he's going to do that and then they're once he gets your clothes and everything, then they're going he's going to call the other >> the other investigation and then you're they're going to cut you loose. if if there's no you know I just always said if and I've been here so long I just said what >> I just want to go home cry and go to sleep >> I do I don't know Keith you don't know >> he's really upset >> the broke down a couple times. >> You ain't the one that's being questioned. You ain't the one lost, >> Lori. I'm Keith. I know. I can't imagine what you're going through. >> You don't want to. >> I don't want to. It's like it's a really bad nightmare. >> What's that? >> Christopher, your sister called, but I didn't answer. >> We need to get her um right away. We need to get all my money out of the bank. >> All of it? Well, you can't get it all out. You can only get so much >> because that's a Sunday. >> It's Sunday. >> Or I can you can Well, you know what, Keith? If you do that, >> they already got power of attorney that the um that's what Email it to people right now for what? >> She already emailed it to your phone >> for us cuz it's going to cost me a lot. >> She already emailed it to your phone. >> Okay. >> She wanted to get it signed here, >> but we we don't have a printer. I don't know if they'll do it. But Michelle is a notary >> cuz it has to be >> family. >> She says it's got to be notorized. >> I understand. Why can't you do something about it? >> Well, there's other people are notaries, you know. I think one of the pastors is a notary as well. >> You know what? Probably maybe right now it's just kind of hurry up and wait. I'm starve. You should have told me you want something to eat at the point when they had asked me. I was just too I was too happy, you know. I won't let you see Ryland because he was at the scene. So, >> he had to keep you two separated. >> Yeah. >> Then why would Ryland said he heard somebody scream? >> He says I said he thought he did. >> That doesn't mean I don't know what to say. These guys said for a fact he said it. Well, maybe he did. I was like, I don't want to hear it yet, man. I don't know. Uh, like I said, the only way this is all going to be going is by the forensics. >> Yeah. If they charge you with something, a trial. Yeah. And they got to prove it. Yeah. You don't have to prove anything. They have to prove that if they charge you with murder, whatever, they have to prove that you actually did it. >> Well, I didn't do anything. This is just crazy. >> Okay. You know, I believe you. >> This is just You're my son and I believe you. I mean, but you never know what's going to happen. I hardly even stick up for myself. Are you kidding me? I let some little girl beat me up in my last marriage. Are you kidding me? You know. >> Yeah. You guys raised me better than that. Somebody's never kidding. I mean, there's a lot of people that raised like that still do things. People snapping. Didn't snap. >> I didn't say you did. I didn't say you did. And I'm not accusing you of anything. I was trying to have a good day. I was going to take out and we were going to have a real good day because last night me and her talked about it. She's like, "So, what do you want to do tomorrow?" I said, "Let's go have a bunch of fun on the island. He deserves it. He was good all week." Like, if I would have known, man, I would have at least had a lot of a lot of things to you, you know? Yeah. We all feel that way, Keith, when someone passes away. But I wish I would have the house. >> You can't jump in the shower with me. You know, it could have saved her life >> maybe, but then it might have happened the day after that or later in the day. >> Yeah, but I just don't understand why she would try to move them. You'll never know, Keith. So, they're going to get his hand. >> No, I don't think so. They're going to wait for the gun with the DNA. >> And I can see why traumatizing them by doing the DNA will be on the gun. >> Anybody that touched that gun on it. >> He only was When's the last time you cleaned it? >> Long time. And my DNA is probably on it, too. Oh, it's been a while. Maybe you were at work. So, that doesn't mean my DNA won't be on there. They're not taking it, but they'll have to figure out who it is. That brain won't [Music] >> They're looking for yours and hers, >> of course. >> You know, and of course you handled the gun, so yours is going to be on there. >> Of course, hers is going to be on there. >> Of course. But if there's someone else is on there, that's when they got to the suspect. >> Look further. Not a suspect, but they just have to figure out who it is. >> Yeah. >> And go from there. You know, things happen. Children do things sometimes. I'm not saying he did. I'm not saying he didn't. >> I wouldn't think at all. >> I'm staying completely objective about this cuz I don't know. >> But it has happened. >> Yes, it has. Chances of that happening are extremely rare and highly unlikely to do this. >> I don't know. They're trying to make me freeze to death. It's just it's a lot to deal with. Who knows? They might come and arrest you tomorrow or something. Who knows? >> So be it. >> I mean, I'm just saying, you know, we don't know. I'm innocent. So >> you're not going to run, are you? >> Yeah, that'll look good. >> Yeah. Across the street. >> Hell no. I got on the wrong door. >> They're not They're not releasing you into our custody. You're on your own. >> Well, I'm going to tell them where I'm going to be. >> Again, it all depends on what they what they find to have the scene. >> Are you going to leave your house at all? Period. Yes, if I read the local news, >> I don't even want to go. That's Flaggler Live if you read it. I didn't even want to go and get a pack of smokes because I don't want to leave to have them any chances to say anything about me at all. I mean, it's already traumatic enough. I still haven't already whole processed it. I just don't know what I don't know what the [ __ ] is going on. I'm so confused to be down and tired. Glad I didn't get to talk to him and her. >> Who? >> Both lawyers. What they say? >> Shut up. >> Huh? >> Shut up. his face. But they asked if I had talked about anything after my Miranda and I was like, "No, sure didn't." Because that's when I talked to you as I was doing the Miranda. Heat. Heat. be staying here as long as possible. So it shouldn't be too long. >> Who did the doctor? >> Yes. It's already been 45 minutes. Facebook. You guys come in here so I can change, man. [ __ ] He says, "You think it's a fire alive?" And I just said, "Yes, I saw it." He is not a real reporter. Do not believe anything he states. He is a scanner chaser. How do they know it has anything to do with you? If my name wasn't legend, this is from men's group. >> Oh, so you said something? >> I gave you that permission to do so. I wouldn't have said a thing. >> They're not entering your phones in your >> I don't care. Oh, we're on that. >> I don't care either. I ain't doing nothing. I don't think I don't think they can legally do that without notifying you first anyway cuz that's basically the same as a letter said there was >> they don't listen. Who cares? >> I'm on the phone. Um, and they cannot they can't how can they not even talk to me about what they need to >> Well, they have to be quiet. They have to be >> over any point. >> Well, they have to be >> cautious. They're representing it. They have to be extremely cautious. >> Well, they also said face to face. >> Well, face to face. Yeah. So, I need to talk to them. >> Are they going When are you going to talk face to face with them? >> I don't know. as soon as I possibly can. Probably when I go pay on Monday. It depends. I mean, so many things can happen before Monday. Either way, I'm going to give you guys the power of attorney so you can find my stuff. >> That's fine. >> Either way, >> we also have to find out. I hate to say this, but how's that? How's the scene going to be cleaned? >> I'll hire somebody. Do you have to hire somebody to have that or we don't know? >> Did they tell you that anything? >> Usually it's >> Yeah. Well, usually it's not the reality. Did they tell you anything? >> I mean, if there's if there's if there's blood, it's got to be cleaned up and it's got to be done properly. So, I don't know. I mean, I don't want to bring I hate to bring it up now, but that's something that's going to have to be brought up. I mean, do you know how much a funeral is going to cost me? I have no idea. I would suggest >> I would suggest >> I would suggest cremation. >> I'm a broke fool right now because between this case and >> Well, I would suggest cremation. >> It's whatever. You know what? I wouldn't even talk about that now. >> Hey, what's going on? >> Lori, >> we can't say much, but they might let him go. So, we're going to wait around, hang out, and see. >> So, go to a hotel or whatever. He is going to be released. >> Just I will be released. >> Hang up. Say we can't talk. >> Yeah, we can't talk here. >> You know why? >> Not even on the phone. >> I know. I can understand. >> All right. Well, why don't you and Hilda go to the hotel and get some rest? >> I know. I can't talk here, remember? >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Bye. She is drunker than [ __ ] >> No, she's going to go with Hildo, don't you think? >> I mean drunker than [ __ ] >> man. What time is it? >> 10:18 hours. >> Yeah, I've been here for 12 hours. >> Well, not here noon, but you've been here a long time. >> Oh, man. And did you guys tell Kathy? Kathy knows she properly. She don't give a [ __ ] >> Yes, she did. Well, she does, but I mean, you know, I mean, she didn't say anything. I asked her, "Is it you all right?" And she goes, "Yeah." Kathy's Kathy. I mean, >> that doesn't mean she's not okay. >> All in shock. That's all I can say. >> I'm not okay. >> Tell you that. Well, I don't look like I care either, but I I do. And I'm deeply troubled, but I'm in shock, too. So, you know, that doesn't mean I don't care. >> I'm not saying that. That isn't what I meant. >> It doesn't affect me. >> That's not what I meant. My whole world is Wow. I'm just having a hard time gripping with the reality of it. You know, it's like it's not real right now. >> Careful what you say, man. This chair. We should We could move around. >> He laid on the forum for a little bit. Just move around. >> I don't know if they'll let you walk around out there or not. I don't know. Come see my god. I ain't going to know what my ass. Good guy. Braden's still at the house. What? Your house? >> Could you tell him I'm okay? Cuz I know he's worried about me. And they just asked and I said, "Well, they can charge you with anything." They haven't yet. They may not, but they may. You know, here's a probable, like your lawyer said, and there's a possible. There's a possible it is possible. Time will tell. He's not going to leave your house until he sees me. Maybe. Maybe. I know. I don't know. >> No, he's going to have to because when I go home, I'm going. >> No, but I know it. >> He's not going to stay there all night. Or it's just him. It's just him there. That's him. Him, Sarah, and Hilda and Des. >> Yes. >> Yeah. [Music] I'm so tired. [Music] Just break. >> I just don't want to wake up tomorrow because >> it's going to be even harder than it was today. >> You want something to eat now? >> Want some chips or chips or something? They're >> going to release me. So, >> well, they don't know for sure. They got to talk. They got to get together with the other detectives first. >> That's what the lawyer said. >> Some chips. >> They got to do their thing. Yeah, he does. >> Okay. You found something to drink off already? >> Not yet. >> Not yet. Cuz I can't I can't sit there. I can't watch that. >> I can't watch. >> You might as well get some sodas and chip while you can. It's better than nothing. You got to be dry. >> It's dry in here. Your mouth dries out. I know. But your mouth dries all out. I don't know. They're both right next to you. >> Lori, do you need to go to the bathroom? >> If you do, do it now cuz she's got to go with us. >> He's not going to watch you, but she's got to >> escort us. You're okay. >> What about you, Keith? >> You okay? >> I just want >> Does he have to stay in here? You are [ __ ] for 12 hours. This little [ __ ] room, let me have a few of them. Damn cigarettes. Oh, I should have just left once he said you don't have to be here. I'm like, okay, there he told us you could leave in any time. We haven't charged him. He can leave right now if he wants to. >> Yeah. When I want to leave, he won't let me. >> I said, and then when you said, "Well, he won't let me leave." Then he said, "I told I don't dare. We have to call somebody. And we couldn't find a whole lot of them, let me tell you, because everybody was closed. >> Yeah. >> What day is it again on Sunday? >> It's Saturday. >> So, it's Sunday. So, I'm one of the when I can go player and all that. >> Well, you want it tomorrow. >> How can you get it on a Sunday? >> I know. I can't get you. You know, you take out whatever you can. >> Yeah. >> Give him that and then say the rest is going to have to come on Monday. >> Yeah. I don't know what my limit is, >> but I'm sure I'm going to talk and tell me that. Why did they have to ask you to the bathroom? >> So you don't go wandering anywhere else? Who knows? >> I have a cold root beer if anybody wants one. >> Thank you. >> We're getting chips. We'll be right back. Thank you. I don't know if I do go to know that I didn't do it now. >> We'll be praying for you even if you want to. I know that I didn't do it. >> I know you didn't do it. I never doubted that >> he does. >> No, he just doesn't want to. He just says, "We don't know." You know how technical he is. >> No, I didn't. I know you did try to save her. >> I wish you knew what happened. I wish I would have never taken a shower. But that's my bad. >> No, it isn't. You took a shower because you got up in the morning. A lot of people do that. You didn't know any of this was going to happen. >> I know, but I could have prevented it. You know, I wish you would have told me that she wasn't. >> Yeah. Pretty high, you know. Here you go. Bring your phone. >> Bring this one. Either one. [Music] just having like you guys are keeping something from Huh? >> It just seems like you guys are keeping something from me. I'm not going to say anything in here. Drink some of your own soda. >> I'm not keeping anything from you. I'm just not saying anything in here. And I do believe you. You're better. >> I do believe you. >> I mean, I'm right. >> Your mom says you don't think I believe you. But I do believe you. You told me I believe you until they prove different. If they prove different, I believe you. Why should I condemn you with not enough evidence to do so? Not condemn you, but you know, accuse you. And then you let me go. They say they're going to let you go. They've told us that several times. What about the house that [ __ ] hold up? They're waiting to see what they find at the house. What they find there. And if you told them about whatever, >> don't say it out loud. If you told them about whatever, they could arrest you. Cuz I told him, you know, when we were talking, he says, "Well, he's he's prepared to be arrested for what? I says, "Well, you should know he talked to you." We And he says, "What?" I says, "Well," and I go, "You know, like he was training get something out of me." And I said, "Well, you know, you talk to him." It's like I knew something that he didn't. >> Yeah. But I just says, you know, you you already know. I mean, he's prepared that, you know, if he may be arrested. If I would be arrested, just come and do it already. M but they really couldn't they can't do that on hearsay. I wouldn't think they'd have to have the evidence first of anything any kind of an arrest. So if they don't arrest you and they cut you loose then you won't even be able to see a judge cuz you have to what did your lawyer say about that? Well, that basically if they arrest me, >> if they don't, >> nothing. >> They can't do anything to you. >> Come see them immediately. >> All right. And if they do arrest you, >> then my for you guys to tell the lawyer immediately um I will have the parents even if they arrest you. where the public defender will be at. They'll have >> That basically tells me my public defender will have to represent you tomorrow because they won't let >> Yeah. There's something like you said before that if they charged you with something, they don't you don't have to see a judge. >> No, you're not. >> I thought Didn't you hear what they said? >> Um that if they charge me, I'll have a first appearance in the morning, which is by video. If they charge you. >> Yes. >> If they do what they need. >> Well, if they arrest you, they're charging you with something. >> Exactly. >> Um, so if they do charge you, if they arrest me, period, you >> If you're under arrest, okay, if you're under arrest, then you will see a judge tomorrow, no matter what it is. >> Yeah, but I won't be able to talk. >> Well, of course. >> No, that's just Well, this and this and this. >> They're just temporarily representing you, saying this is your charges. >> Yes. >> They can't ask you if you're going to plead guilty or anything. hand down. No, it's just saying these are the charges against you. You're going back to jail. >> Yeah. At the end of day, >> you are supposed to come immediately. >> I will. You won't. >> Now, what what if they what was the deal if they said if they if they kept detaining you, you wouldn't see a judge? Because I was wondering they said you wouldn't see a judge of something. >> It would be a video is what he said. >> Yeah, it' be a video. >> Oh, that's what they were saying. You won't physically appear in front of a judge. But you will because it's a video. >> Okay. >> Within 24 hours, you won't be in a courtroom. >> Within 24 hours, no matter what, they have to give you to a judge. >> Okay. >> The judge has to tell you the charges. >> Yeah. Formally, no. >> If it's past their certain time or whatever, it won't be done on like 5:00. >> If it's before, >> say 5 in the morning or something like that. >> If it's before that time, then it'll be right away tomorrow. But it mean [Music] I just want to come home. I want to get some sleep. I'm going to spend all day. Did you specify how long? Do you know? She just said once once the detective that's here, the blue shirt. >> Yeah. >> Once he talks with the other detectives of whatever they're doing up there, then you they'll take your clothes and you'll be able to go. All these if if ifs. you know, then again, if they find something that's they can charge you with, you can pitch your ass, they're going to charge you with something. >> Who knows? >> Maybe not. >> I don't know. That's up to them. But they can't really hold you because they have no evidence against anything at this point. They can detain you for so long, but yeah, they don't think I think they're as >> But they have to charge you before they can keep you. I think why they're with the mares and they're >> they have to do is because they can only keep me so long without doing that. >> Keep you 72 hours or something. I think I don't know. I have no idea. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a cop. I don't know. >> My lawyer did say that this is very inade [Music] that's a good question to ask them that. And she's like, "I'm going to >> because of all of the different suspicious circumstances." >> I know. I know. I know. But you said it, too. >> Yeah. >> Are you suspicious? >> Who knows? >> I don't know, Keith. I have no idea. I'm not going to judge. I'm not going to condemn. I'm just going to tell you that I'm always there for you no matter what. >> I know. And you're going to need to be >> And you'll need to be. Trust me, you'll need to be. >> What does that mean? >> I'm going to have to go through a lot of things by just building my life back up. Dad, >> I mean, think about it, man. I lost everything. The house, everything. My wife, my child, you know. >> Well, you haven't been lost in you. You think Jeremy's going, but >> you know they're you know they're going to fight if you everything goes right and you have a you have a right to fight for him you know because you are you >> but you don't they don't have to let you they don't have to let us see him either. >> But he's because he's the real father. It'd be the same thing if it was the other way around >> with with Kira. You know he has the rights. I need to seek care now. But I'm sure she shouldn't have already told her. Um, she should have by now. The sooner better ask just really it just really really I don't know. The cop said that Ry's dad told him that she was shot. Said, "Well, did he say that she was dead?" He told him that she he was shot or she was shot. >> Why is that? >> I said, "But did he tell her tell him that she was dead?" He never answered. And I says, "Well, Shondaanda is not dead." H. So, how does he know that? How can did How does he know that that she has passed away? >> Who? Ryan's dad. >> No, Ryan's dad told Ryan Ryland. >> Okay. >> That his mother was shot. >> Okay. >> He must have talked to him on the phone or something. >> What? He must have talked to her parents. >> He never said anything about her parents. Only him, only his dad. Um, and because we kept asking about that, he kind of hung it around. They didn't really say, >> "What did his dad tell him? She was dead." >> And he didn't answer me. >> I He says he told Ryland that she was shot. >> How would he know? >> Because he already knew anyway. But how would he know? >> Well, did he already know anyway? >> Who? Ryland. >> Yes. >> Did he know that she had been shot? >> Yes. >> Yes, he did. But not dead. >> No. Yeah. And I said, "Well, >> screaming on the par to the paramedic on the phone >> that she was shot and to get it somebody over there immediately." >> Well, but he knew that they heard my 911 call. >> Well, that's definitely recorded. They know my 911 call. >> But I mean, I really kind of What is weird? I mean, whether I'm going to say that he did anything or anything, I doubt that he did. >> Mhm. >> But it's weird that he knows that she's passed away unless somebody physically told him that. >> And I don't know. It wasn't us. >> And according to the therapist, I told him, I said, "Well, the the the uh uh counselor that came in said that she didn't tell him. He told her." And she was shocked. And she was. She says, "I don't know how we do that. Nobody's told him and they wouldn't let me even talk to him. >> I know. Well, that's normal. So, I couldn't have told him. >> But it's just weird that he knows. >> I know. >> And he's taking it so calmly. >> He's happy and he's calm and he's >> like, "Oh, no." >> Talking of just normal just like normal. >> That's That's not normal. >> No, it's not. >> He's taking it like whatever. But we didn't know that that he had said that until after we was in there with him for a while. >> Yeah. >> And then when he saw me in the hall, he come running up. And then when I saw him again, he was goodbye, grandpa. >> And you know, his dad turned around and looked, you know. >> Did you get a chance to speak up to that? >> No. He didn't even look. >> Oh, he turned around and looked at me, but that's it. >> He probably felt happy. >> No, he did not. I couldn't tell. I didn't have glasses, but he didn't. You know, I don't know how. But Ryland's just happy. Just typical Ryland. >> Like nothing happened. >> Yeah, but maybe that's how he's processing things. I don't know. >> It's weird. But that's very strange that he not a tear. And even they they they they told us that he's been having fun playing with things, talking he told us that they were talking about things and you know and they just kept asking me the same thing. They asked me three times what he said. Three times they've been the internet talking to me. Why do they need to talk to me again? That's what he said. I says, "Well, they they just that's the way things are. When something happens like this, then they have to talk to everybody. And he said, "Well, how's my dad?" >> Not once did he ask about his mother? >> Nope. >> Not once. >> I find that strange. Well, where's my mom? >> He was He was asking about you. >> Not about grandma, not about his mom. >> That's weird. >> He did ask about Kira. >> Yeah. >> He says, "Well, is is dad going to still get cured? Is she going to spend the night tonight?" And I said, "No, probably not because you know how Bri is. Bri sometimes she forgets and you probably got something going on. You know how that goes." He goes, "Yeah, I know." >> And he just moved on and he was telling us about the toys and >> we were just talking and the cop says, "Don't say anything to him." >> Yeah. >> He says, "You have to promise me you won't neither one of you will say anything." Sure. >> But that she's dead. >> Why would he say that if he already knew? Because no one knew he knew. >> No, I know what I mean. >> Why would he say that? >> Away. >> Yeah. Why would the cop say that is what you're saying? >> No. Why did Ryland say she No way. >> No, that is what I mean. That he knows what passed away means. But why would the cop? I say not the time. The cop said I I did say when he told us he said you have to promise me on your word that you won't say anything about her passing away. >> Yeah. >> So who did >> not passing away but whatever that anything about his mother. >> So who did? >> His dad. >> His dad didn't know. Well, obviously he knows if he talked to the mother and the mother knew. >> How would he not know? He'd come to pick him up. >> Yeah, but that was even before you guys said he going to call him yet. >> No, I don't know. But evidently, he had talked to Ryland and told Ryland that she was gone, >> maybe. >> Well, that's what he said, but he wouldn't let us talk about it. >> He says, "Well, cuz we were going to tell Ryland." >> Sure. And he says, "Promise me you don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Promise me you won't." >> But he didn't know. >> Right. Because he wasn't he didn't know. Then why did he say that his mom's passed away to the counselor? >> I don't know. Because we kept on the word >> and the cops said that >> cuz they told him that. >> Maybe they should look into that. >> Things aren't driving. >> He just said his mom was shot and that you went in the ambulance. Well, he knew that at the at the scene. >> Yeah. >> But he was something right here because of that. It doesn't make sense. He wouldn't let us talk about it because he didn't know about it. >> Exactly. >> That's what he told us. Because no, >> and I wanted to tell him myself, but they wouldn't let me. >> No. But I said, "Well, we will tell him." No, don't tell him anything. He doesn't know. Mhm. >> He doesn't need to know. >> He doesn't need to know. Now, promise me you won't tell him anything. And you said that to me several times. And you said it to your >> in front of your mom a couple times, too. And I said, "We promise." And we kept that promise. >> Sure. >> We kept it upbeat. >> Mhm. >> And he was just happy golucky, just normal, right? >> Not one time did he say, "Is my mom okay?" >> Not once did he mention his mother at all. Weird. >> Where is she? >> But she talked to him. Okay. >> About his mother evidently >> or he talked to her. They were talking and she came out and she said >> he said that she's passed away. How did he know that? >> I wouldn't know. >> She was shocked. >> Yeah. >> I was told that he didn't know. >> That's what she said. >> Uh-huh. >> Yeah. That's what she said. I was told that he didn't know. >> The cop said that her father, his father told him, not me. No, his real father. And how would he know? Well, he knows. Of course he knows. >> Unless they called him and told him >> he's got to know what's going on, Keith. Yeah. He come and picked up Ryland. He knows what's happened. >> Yeah. >> That's just weird. That don't drive. >> Why would the Why would the counselor come out like bewildered? Because she's talked to him before and then all of a sudden he says this and nobody else has talked to him except us. You guys didn't say nothing because you were unsupervised. They had the door open and you were supervised. No, we weren't. Outside >> they were outside the door listening to what we were saying to make sure that we would keep our word and we did. >> Mhm. >> And then she went in there after that. >> Okay. >> And I and we had, you know, cuz we were talking to the other lady saying, "This is awful funny that his his mima nobody else has been here. We're the only ones here. Why? Yeah, no kidding. I mean, nobody else has anybody else even tried to see him. She didn't really say anything, did she? But you could see the look on her face like >> Yeah. >> I mean, she kind of shook her head. >> She goes, "Well, they might have been in contact, but they didn't try to see. >> Why didn't they come to try to console him?" >> I don't know. >> I mean, that's what I'm thinking. All I need to do is be with him. Why are we the only Why are the we the only ones of the grandparents or the other family members that came here for him? >> I know >> nobody else did. His dad came to pick him up and marched him out of here. That's it. But we were here to be with him. >> Yeah. >> And let him know that, you know, he knows. But he was too cool. He was really cool. >> He didn't ask. Not one. He wanted to know about me and where I was on the >> He wanted to know about you. >> And he says, "Well, are you going to take are you going to take daddy home?" And I says, "I don't know yet." Maybe, you know, probably, but we don't know yet. >> Well, why? Well, because you know, when things like this happen, they have to do things. Okay. >> Well, then he said about the game. And he said, "Can you get my game?" Said, "No, we can't go to the house." He said, "Oh, because of the yellow tape." And I said, "Yeah." No. Well, then he said something about the yellow tape and I says, "Well, you know, they they have to make sure everything's okay before anybody can go in the house." >> Sure. >> And he understood that. Okay. And then he >> But he didn't ask about his mom. >> Nope. Not not one word >> that he talked about was you and Kira. >> That's weird. >> That was it. >> Maybe they better look into that and do their job. Well, >> I don't know. The forensics will tell all. That is weird >> to me. He's too calm. >> He's too calm. But he's only 6 years old, too. >> I don't care. He's It's not It's not normal. >> No, that's not normal. Sarah's drunk, so you know how he's a psycho, but he probably did it, you know. And I said, >> Sarah, he's just drunk. >> An accident. >> That's what I said. It could have been an accident. Maybe he just maybe he got a hold of the gun and bang bang, you know what I mean? Or maybe she moved it out there cuz he was going to make coffee and breakfast and left it out there and I don't He was like, "Hey, mom here." That could have been too. I don't know. But so many scenarios. >> There's no way he could have cocked that gun. >> There's so many scenario. >> Was it cocked? Was it chambered? >> I don't know. >> Cuz there's no way he can do that. I don't. >> He's not that strong and he wouldn't even know how to do it. >> No. >> Unless he saw you do it. >> But if it was cocked, but safety or off. >> I don't know. Well, there's two guns. You said one >> I don't know which one was one was cocked. It could have been cocked. I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying one was one had a safety and one didn't have a safety. >> Yeah. Which one was cocked? I don't know which one if they even work. I don't know. >> You don't know if either one of them >> I wanted the one to handle them last. >> Who did? >> Obviously Randy. No, I mean when you put them by the bed, you should have known which if it was cocked or not. Was it Chamber? I don't know. Okay. I'm not trying to grill you. I mean, it could have been or Brandy could have did it at some point. I mean, I don't know. That's crazy though. Yes. That don't make sense. >> No. >> Cuz he's not strong enough to to chamber it. >> No. >> And he wouldn't know how to do it unless he saw you. >> Well, you went you went he went with you when you went >> was shooting with us a couple times. And so he saw how to do the >> Sure. And which which guns were there, Keith? Was it the one that was easier to car? >> There was >> the new one. >> They were both the new ones. One of them was the Beretta and one of them was the canic. >> Which one's that? Hers? >> Well, they're both yours. >> Well, they're both mine, but she was using the Beretta most of all. The Betta was pretty easy to [ __ ] and so was the canic, but it's competition. But for him, I don't know cuz it was, you know, I mean, for you and for an adult, it's not that difficult. But for him, I mean, all you have to do is Yeah. But not for him. I don't know. >> I don't know. There's all kinds of questions. There's all kinds of everything. Everything's a question. Oh, trust me. I know. Well, your guns have never jammed or anything, have they? No, not that I'm aware of. No, not >> they were all like welloiled and Did you know how I came? No, >> just just asking. When was the last time you went out shooting? >> Yeah. I don't like a week. A week ago, maybe you and her went out and Ryan go Ryan will go with you. Oh, he was in school. You know, like I told him, he's relatively new to the handling of guns. I didn't She know how to handle it. >> No, look how she was when we were shooting. >> Huh? >> She knows how to use it. She knew how to use a gun. >> Well, yeah, but she's really nervous. >> She was very nervous about it, but she knew how to use it. She knew the She knew the mechanics of it. Sure. Sure. But she do arrest you or something. They'll see the judge tomorrow anyway. Make an appearance anyway. >> I don't know why they would. >> What's in the house? >> I just need cars. >> Still more than, you know, a misdemeanor. I just want to call. >> I know you when I was hugging you, you told me, "Get rid of your guns. Get rid of my guns." >> But what was you was trying to say something else to me and I couldn't understand you. What did you say? I don't want it to happen to nobody else. >> That what you said? >> Mhm. >> Cuz I couldn't understand you. Remember I told you I couldn't understand you. >> Yeah. I was like, I don't want this to happen to nobody else. I didn't hear that. That's what I was asking. What did you say? Cuz it was you was upset and I couldn't understand you. >> Sure. I said I don't want nobody in the family to have anyone. >> Yeah. I had Braden take my guns, take him to his house as a precaution. >> Yeah. as a precaution. >> Okay. >> You understand why? >> Just in case I was >> right. Not that you'd hurt us, but yourself. No. >> How about that way? >> Well, you can say one thing and something else happen anyway. They're not there. >> Okay. Good. I probably never even touch a weapon again. Ever. Honestly, that's not a bad thing. That's not a good thing either. That's not a bad Not a bad thing, is it? At all. So, mom [Music] This is He said you can keep that shirt. >> That's awesome. That's what he said. I like being bring you any socks. I just brought you my slippers. >> I don't care. You probably fit him anyway. He's got 13 shoes. >> I know this. My shoes would not fit you, but the slippers will be all right. I got a pair of my nylon underwear. >> Whatever. >> And a pair of jeans cuz he already had a shirt and a belt. That's all I need. >> That's all you need? >> I mean, I'm just going to >> Cuz I asked him. I said, "Do is he going to keep that shirt?" He goes, "Yeah." So >> Well, I just need to go to your house. That's all. You know, I I'm woke. I'm sure you are. My mind is just woke. So is ours. Not like yours, of course. Not even close, probably. You know, I've been here for 13 hours. >> That is a little bit inhumane. >> See, it's almost like going to the ER, isn't it? I could have drove halfway across the yard. >> In the morning, we'll see. >> Yeah, you could have. Huh? >> From 2 or 3:00 in the morning, we'll still be here. No. It's not going to be that long. I mean, either they're going to come in and they're going to let him go or they're going to charge him with something. That's bottom line. There's nothing in between. Expect the worst and hope for the best. Okay. And if they do arrest you, they'll probably put you on suicide watch, which is normal. They should. And >> you do nothing. >> Well, they don't know that. How are they going to let me go? Come home now. It's in your time. One lawyer said to me that it's not uncommon that it takes a while, but >> this is ridiculously >> a lot like that. I mean, that's, you know, when there's suspicious things, you know, >> sure, >> that's, you know, well, they were detaining you, but all you had to do was say, you know, there was more to it than that because all you had to do was say, I had enough. Either charge me or let me go. They didn't have to let you go. >> Yeah. Yeah, but if they didn't let you go and you said that, then it was a problem at the time. It was more to it. >> No, they said I could go at any time, but I stayed here because I was being honest and I wanted to just That was probably not the best thing to do, but because I didn't use any of you. Why? Because it was before they read me a memorandum. It doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter. You should have left because now you're never going to get out of here. Not even want to look real guilty, not looking guilty. is administering your rights is not being guilty. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You should have said, "I will speak to you once I have my love." >> I wanted to cooperate, you know. >> Well, that's fine, but sometimes that doesn't look good either. >> I got [ __ ] to hide, you know. >> Ah [ __ ] man. >> You know, these people are trained to look at both that a person reacts. work. I mean, God knows what happened and that's all that matters to be honest with you. And if it was something with Random, then never know unless his DNA is out again. dating Jack. >> He did say that it was only one gun, though. See, how do you know that? I just told you both bullets came out of the same gun. Mhm. >> That's what they think at this point. They can't prove it yet because they haven't got their forensics. Sure. >> There was a reason that they said that. I don't know. Don't make no sense at all. I'm getting tired of thinking about it. My head is just And everywhere on so dry my neck when the cops said he wasn't happy with his partner. We don't the way that he treated you. No, >> the woman I think it was. Is that the one you complained about? >> Said, "I'm not happy about that. That that was uncalled for because you said you he said you complained that I was offended." And he's not happy at all with what that guy put on the player live. >> That's ridiculous. >> He said that is very unprofessional. And I said, "Well, you know, I mean, sure, you have a right to do it, but to put the address in there." >> No. And I'm going to have everybody drive by. >> Yep. Or any of her friends that know that most of her friends probably already know. And there's nothing wrong with that. Well, maybe Maddie is used pertaining to the the the one in January saying the cops was using the same language and they said it was very suspicious. What was that cop even doing talking to him >> exactly >> at the crime scene? >> Right. >> He's not supposed to say that. >> That's exactly what he said that the whole thing was done was unprofessional. Basically, he didn't say it that way, but he was very upset. He said, "This is wrong." cuz he he asked him, "Why did you even talk to him?" That's what he was taken to me out there. >> Sure. I mean, this is a private information, you know. >> Well, it wasn't nothing's proven. It's just allegations. It's suspicions. >> And then how Kira was seen there. They said a girl and then now the girl isn't there anymore. Nobody's seen her in a while. And there was a boy there. >> Two children live there. Once a week she's actually said two children lived there, a boy and a girl. >> And the girl just started going just started going across the street to play with the neighbors cuz he was talking to those black people. >> And uh so just saw your neighbor, but she hasn't been seen for a while. Doesn't mean anything cuz she's only done once a week. >> Well, that's he's just made he's he's sensationalizing everything, making people think. Oh, what did you disappear, dude? What's going on? >> What's going on there? >> Oh, I'm sure that guy's a jerk. And I just told my my friend there, too, the same thing. Don't listen to him. He's a He's not a real reporter. And he's just a scanner scanner chaser. I'm sure my name will be in the paper eventually. >> I'm sure it will be. >> I will never get a job. >> Well, never. at all. Not if you not if they if they charge you and you're proven innocent. They can't hold that against you. That's still they can't legally. I'll never get a job. [Music] But I don't know. I'll have to move away. I'm telling you, Dad. Well, maybe just because of a smart ass mouth. >> Well, they didn't name names yet. >> That was public record. Damn. They had it on TV. >> They didn't say anything. They just said that they >> a body was found in a house and uh a body was found in a house and there was uh no danger to the community. That was it. I just happened to see it. >> At least they >> I was looking at the I was looking at the weather thing and that popped up. I was wondering I wonder if they'll say anything because of what we saw on there. >> But that's all they said. At least they didn't say anything else. They did it professionally. >> Okay. >> They just said that's it. >> They didn't expound on them. >> Man, I want What's her name? That Miranda. He's going to be there 24/7. >> Rhonda. >> She will be there all night. >> Who's that? >> Lawyer. >> Miranda. >> Oh, that's her phone number. She's got She's on call. >> NHS. >> Yeah. Well, she said just call whenever up to 9:00 or 8:00, whatever she said. >> But if she tells you that, she's probably the the lawyer on call. >> Yeah. If it was like whenever. >> Yeah. If you get, you know, if you get the number I gave you is his number. >> The number on the phone is the office number, the the one that she responds to. Let's >> see. I would have had the wrong number. But you would have had his. You could have left the message. >> But if she's going to answer, >> if they keep you, then we'll just we'll give you that number, too. [Applause] Police are all suspicious. They had their job. But they've treated you okay. I mean, they haven't pounded on you or they didn't they didn't yell at you or threaten you or anything, did they? >> One of them has been rude, but >> Well, rude is different. >> Yeah. >> I think for the most part, they've been all right. That one cop at the when he was talking to you, the blue shirt, >> whoever it was, no, the cop at the house. Well, he was talking [ __ ] I told him about >> Yeah, he was a jerk. I was just asking a question. >> Well, he was asking a question. He said, "Time for you to leave." Oh, whatever. I mean, go back over there. >> He was a jerk. He's the one that told me I couldn't see people. >> Yeah, he was a jerk. The other guys are nice. The one that >> cuz I said, "Can I just say something to him and and hug him?" No. Get in your car and stay there. I just when they got I didn't talk to him. I talked to a different one and he says, "Well, he's right over there. He's not being charged. He's he's not under arrest." >> I couldn't talk. >> He said, "He's in the car." And I said, "Well, can I just kind of wave and you know, say let so he knows I'm here for him." >> Mhm. >> And he goes, "Well, door's open over there." >> So, I just walked over there. >> They wouldn't let me. >> I just let Carrie Michelle, nobody. We weren't allowed to look, touch them, talk them. I got lucky. I guess >> they said nope tried. They made it 20 yards from me and I went like this. >> Yeah. >> And you know and but was in the yard. >> Yeah, I know. >> He's taking it pretty hard. >> Of course he is. >> That's why I told him to leave. >> His best take my car and leave. And he says, "You I don't want to be here either." So he took off. >> Well, of course, man. I'm >> We sat there for another three hours. >> I'm his best friend. Think about it. He's worried about me and Brandy. Man, we all got really close. >> I know. >> You know, well, they were asking about if we went to your house and all that stuff and I told him about the the dinner and the the steak. Sorry. They said it was good. >> It was a little salty. It was a little tough, too. Well, it wasn't really, but it was kind. And I said, "Well, she tried." >> Yeah. >> We praised her for it. Said, "Hey, you tried. It was good. It wasn't that bad. It wasn't hurt." >> But hey, she tried cuz they asked us like that. And I That's what I told her. So, she tried. You know, no one's perfect. Yeah. I mean, it's it's like this floor is filthy. Look at that corner. It's all dust. >> Yeah, I don't care. How long? I asked if he could just walk around out there and he said no. Why you got to stay in there? I don't see why you can't. I mean, just to move around. >> Why does she have to be escorted to the bathroom? >> Cuz it's a police station. She didn't She just stood out in the hallway way up here and the bathroom's way down there and then she came in here and I didn't see her until I was on my way back. But if you had to go uh you'd have to be escorted, I mean into the bathroom probably. They just got to be in the room. She says, "Well, if he's got to go, I can't go. I can't go in the man's room." So I'm just holding hold. Well, if you got to go to the bathroom, you go. You tell them you got to go. Why have that hassle to Why? They just take you down the bathroom and step inside the door while you're taking a pee and bring you back. Do you need to go? I've held it so long it's >> Well, if you need to go, don't hold it. It's not healthy. It's not good for you. Cuz who knows how long it's going to be. So, if you need to go, you need to go. >> I'll wait till I can't take it and then I'll go. >> Well, obviously you need to go now. You just said you did it. >> Well, talking about it ain't going to help anything. >> Well, that's why I'm talking about it. Cuz you need to go. I want my eyes shut more than I need to go. Huh? I need my eyes closed before. Way more than I need to go. I'll tell you that. You need a sense of peace and relaxation. These lights mess with you after a while. >> Yeah, they give you a headache. >> I think they're like special lights to mess with you. [Music] [Applause] I need to move around. Tell them what the hell. >> Well, they're not going to tell me anything >> until they're done at your house. >> Until they're done at your house and they get together. >> That's going to probably be half the night. >> I don't know. Well, it shouldn't be very long. No, >> I just need to move around. It's 5 hours. >> Like the lawyer said need to stay in here. So, you want to come back? You need to move around. You need to move around a little bit, too. >> Change out here. [Music] I'm tired. [Music] Heat. Heat. [Music] God, my legs are stiff. This is ridiculous. Heat. Heat. I just want to change. Mom, >> take a shower. Soak in the tub. I just want to change and lay down. How would change get released to figure out? I can't tell you because if I do kill your dad and then I'm going to prepare a minute she told you to start chest compressions and you wouldn't do it. >> I didn't want to touch her. That makes you look guilty. >> Okay. >> Cuz you would try to help her. I could have saved her life. But I couldn't >> just say >> I was slipping everywhere. >> Where's a wound? Where's a wound? Where's a wound? I don't know. Cuz they said she could have saved her life. >> No, I couldn't. >> Just say you thought she was God here's almost these friends Dylan Brian Brandon. So that's what the whole just I'm very suspicious of trying to help. I was wet. I could notice living everywhere. And there was two guns and the bullet came out of the same gun. Two bullets came out the same gun. So if she had two in her hands, why did only one shoot it twice? Because maybe she grabbed it like this. She b the floor. >> I don't know. They just find that very suspicious. >> They can't cuz they're not going to find [ __ ] on me. No gun blast, nothing. It looks like I think I'm not sure. I think it looks like you had a gun. She had a gun and you she tried to shoot you or something and you shot her. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking [Music] just [Music] that was last December. This is Jessie spoke. Summer of 2008. Here's her bucket list. Okay. Get a job. She's only 15. Uh, get really t Kiss someone. Sneak out of the house. Go to the aquarium. Play beach volleyball. Go on a date with Gray. Apparently somebody she wants. Get a piercing. Watch a sunset and rise. Experience Coachella. What's that? Sleep outside. Running back flip. Flip. Go to for you concert. Have a paint fight. Have several beach days. Hike up a small mountain. Dip dye my hair. Finish decor my room. Get drunk. Then does he try every ice cream? [Music] So there's a lot of stuff. [Music] [Music] was breathing. Barely breathing. Um, I looked over. >> That was it. >> Medical. That's That's all I see. >> So, at that time, you thought she was dead anyway. >> Not just that, but I couldn't get to her. I was slipping everywhere. I was ripping away. Slipping everywhere. >> But you said you can't. I'm sliding. >> I can't. I'm sliding. I can't. >> And then he said that you didn't even try. I couldn't cuz you didn't want you freaked out about Yes. Now [Music] This is when she first got here. I don't think she has anything for this here. Doesn't look like it. Well, she would write some down because you never know what she's thinking and Desi's one of those silent ones that don't show her emotions. So, that's kind of dangerous and I wish she would. So, I'm so tired. This is ridiculous, man. My hands get stiff. And if I don't crack them, this one right here, this joint doesn't want to bend. It just goes. I'm going to clean up this cross your face and go to sleep. You guys got to be up tomorrow. What is it going to be? 2 3:00 this morning. I mean, come on. Listen off. It's ridiculous. The lawyer calls and says, "Oh, there go." And then nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. He says, "It's not going to be very long." And then nothing nothing. [Music] She's just waiting for them to She says, "I want to go home, dude." She's waiting for them to get home cuz she wants to go home, too. The rooms are recorded. >> Mhm. >> Both sound and video. Sorry. >> I just asked her the red lights. >> I don't care. I'm so tired. I just wish they'd let me go. >> They're not holding us here. >> Well, I know, but we want to be here for you. It's done. >> Huh? The white light on the thing. >> No, it's outside the door. >> I can record all I want. >> I just asked them. So, are they Is it listening? Yeah, they can hear. Is it being recorded? >> Yes. All they want they can say, man. Oh, [ __ ] That's why I said, well, that's why the lawyer tells you to zip it. >> I said it a thousand times. Walk around in that room out there. It's kind of coming. >> All right. >> Huh? >> You okay, G? >> What? What? >> It's not going to help any. I'm so see if it doesn't matter. >> Yeah, but it'll help a little bit. >> How long is long? >> Very. >> They say, "Oh, it shouldn't be too long. It shouldn't be too long. It shouldn't be too long." I asked her about the cars. I said, "Well, what car is mine? The Mustang. And she goes, "Well, if it's inside the tape, there's nothing you can do about it until they remove the tape." >> Yeah. >> You can't go in the house until the tape's removed. I said, "I don't want to go to the house." >> I just want to get my damn card. >> No. Did she say how long? A little bit. >> She has no idea. >> She know she says, "I want to go home, too. The longer they take, the longer she has to stay here. >> She's not happy with it. I'm sure >> she just wants to go home like anybody else. Say it's been [ __ ] 13 hours since we do this. I know I would go home to my side. painters. You could use the tissue for a pillow. >> That's what she said. I said, "Take these off. They're padded." >> But the corners would be really hard. They won't come off. >> I said, "Put tissues over your eyes." >> No, just lay your head on the tissues. I can change yours. Come on now. >> Yeah. Just be in here with us in here. contaminating all of your clothing. Okay. They're probably, you know, they're probably going to check for It's because residue and >> my finger was bleeding. Blood's on. >> They're going to check it for Whose blood's on you? >> Who's mine? >> Look at all his bites on his arms. >> Daniel, what is it? >> [ __ ] mosquitoes and [ __ ] I told you. >> We're out in the backyard. Yeah. >> They they never did fix that screen, did they? >> Not yet. >> They never cut grass either. >> And that's what bringing off mosquitoes. >> So >> So he's not They're not doing anything. >> Either way, I'm going to be like, I can't live there anymore. You got to give 30 days, you know, and they have to give you the rest of the money back. Have to. The cops said they said that he probably put up the the uh cameras because of the the other landlord just going and walking in your house whenever he wanted to. Cop says, "I don't blame him." >> And this blame has his cause. >> Yeah. He says, "Well, if he's got it," because she said, "Well, this business here says they can come in whatever they want." He goes, "That's not legal." >> No. He said that's He said that's not a legal lease. >> No, >> you don't have a legal lease. I told you that. >> There's so many loopholes or not loopholes, but flaws are pitiful. I just hope Ryland's daddy covering his head with [ __ ] Ryland knows. >> I mean, he like >> if he thought something like that, you think that he would be asking about you? You know, Ryan's dad has [ __ ] in his head as usual. >> Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. If they do that, they're not very They shouldn't be doing that. >> He hasn't even been paying child support or anything. >> Well, but he's a legal father. >> No, they never went to court custody or anything. He's still the the paternal father >> and he lives with his his mother which I said he saves the riing with his mother most of the time anyway. >> That's not the best place for him to be though. Nobody's choice. >> The eternal family has priority. That would not have been Ry's vision. >> No >> at all. Well, doesn't matter. They're talking legalities here. He has a legal right. >> I wish he would they would have just let him come home with us. They talked like they might have, but evidently he spoke up and >> Well, the DHS >> Well, they they contacted >> Yeah, she said they contacted him. >> Oh, the DHS. Yeah, they had to hope his dad ain't putting crackers. No, that [ __ ] >> It's just really strange that he didn't even mention his mother. >> I never even thought about that till you said that. >> No, he didn't ask how she was or if she was going to be all right or if he could see her or where she where is she. Nothing. Nothing. That's what we >> Well, maybe talking to them, he got all that out. >> Maybe. >> Well, we don't know what they what they talked about. I'm sure they they finangled it out somehow. That's their job. >> If she thought she was in the ambulance and went to the hospital, you would think that he would say, "Is my mama okay? Have you seen her?" >> He knew that I was upset, too. >> I know. I don't know. >> Any any kid would say that. Where's my mom? >> Anybody will say that >> again. Maybe he already asked them and he was satisfied with what the questions the answers I gave him cuz they did say that. Didn't he say that we could say that she's in the hospital and they're taking care of her? That's what he said we could say to him. So, how did he know? I don't know. Guess he overheard one of the words. Could have. I don't know. That's weird though. That's That's not But whenever they were talking about it, the door, >> did my mom, Huh? >> Then you would just think you would have said to us, "Did my mom die?" Or, "Um, is she okay?" If I overheard something, even if I was small, if I overheard something like that, I would question it. >> Well, maybe you did, but >> I mean to us when we came in, did you see my mama? Is she okay? Is she going to be all right? >> Well, he kind of said that. >> No, he didn't. He never mentioned her at all. >> Well, we didn't even say anything. Well, I No, we didn't say anything about the hospital or nothing. >> He didn't ask. >> That's right. He didn't even ask. >> I was expecting him to, but >> I was too. In fact, maybe that's why I thought he said it, but I guess he didn't. He just was >> He didn't even ask. >> He was He might be known though. He was just being a kid, which is strange. Jack, >> he wonders if she leaves anymore. >> That's what he said. If he doesn't see her when he's when she was leaving in the kitchen that night, where's my mom go? Where did my mom go? Where are you? >> Maybe this is just his way of processing mine. >> There's something not right cuz no one told him. I wasn't even allowed to tell him. >> I'm trying to tell him and you didn't tell them and they didn't tell him no. Well, he's the officer said that his dad told him, >> but how would >> But then again, we weren't able to say anything. >> Mhm. >> And the other the other the counselor said that he didn't know. >> Yeah. I was told he didn't know. >> Yeah. >> Well, and then he told her and she you could see that she was shocked. >> Mhm. They probably even allowed nowhere near him. >> They didn't until I left. >> Makes sense. >> They didn't until I left. He was, you know, he was standing down with me and, you know, on the outside of the car until I left and then Oh, we'll get you to talk to your son soon. We'll get you to talk to your son, too. That never came. >> Yeah. Like, they never came. The cop never came over to us either. We sat there 3 hours. He was right there. I forgot that so much going on. Everything. I I just forgot. I'm so sorry. It's my fault. The other cop said they were going to come back, you know, and I wanted >> He said, "Point where the house is, go back to the house and stay there and we will come back and we will talk to you both separately." And they never came back. And then this guy, when I finally talked to him, he says, "Oh, it's my fault. I'm supposed to be doing it. I told him I would do it. His mom don't like you anyway, does she? No. >> Even though they haven't ever seen hardly even spend time with him. I'm trying to even get to know me. What about her dad? >> Joe, he's real quiet. >> Yeah, that's what I gather. I mean, I've only seen her mom once. I only remember once, maybe twice. That one day when they were putting the table in, >> that's the only time I can remember even seeing her. I may have seen her. I don't even know what she looks like. >> I mean, she come >> I remember him cuz he's he's he's just he's got a, you know, a handicap. I remember him, but I don't remember her at all. I don't know what she looks like. >> She's She's weird. She is weird, you know, and she's one that'll be like, "Oh, hi." And then you talk behind your back, you know? Why did you move into a new house? His money. His money. That's my money. Not nobody else's. So stay off. >> And if she Brandy said if she even owed her five bucks and didn't pay her back, she was >> she was on her all the time calling her three or four times a day. Oh yeah, that's half the reason why I didn't like her. Her mom was something else, man. They even asked me if her mom know [Music] well that makes sense. So obviously she had talk some kind of [ __ ] Which of course, I mean, you guys would be asking those same questions, too. But, you know, like, well, did a spouse do it? What happened? You know, I don't like him and blah blah blah. You know what I mean? I don't think we would. >> We have question. Her mother would. We would have questions of course >> cuz some of the things Brandy have said about her mother. >> I'm like really? >> She treated Brandy like she had been >> but we wouldn't say well we you know >> Brandy was excited because her mom made her a pan of brown. She was ecstatic. >> Mhm. I remember that. >> And she made me eat them and I didn't like them and I ate them anyway. You know, it's one of those it's one of those things, you know, I can hardly even see. >> Close your eyes and take a nap. I'll take a nap and I would be gone. >> Mom will be sleeping sleep. I mean, this is ridiculous. >> After a while, your eyes are burning. >> Why did he tell you to to go bring the glasses? I don't know how to do it. >> Maybe they're waiting to see what they find there before they do it. That's what he said. >> No, they could take a freaking night. >> If they find evidence there, then they won't even then they'll just do what they got to do. I don't know. It could just be saying, "Well, we know that we're going to do something and we're not going to let him go because we're afraid he might take off or you know, you don't know. We don't know what they're thinking. They're thinking they're always thinking heard that he was going to be let go." >> Well, they're all the cops are always thinking the worst, you know? I mean, that's their job. >> Yeah. Come on, man. >> Well, if we let him go, maybe he'll skip, you know? Well, the cars are at his house and he doesn't have access charge. So, >> that doesn't mean anything. >> He's supposed to be walk. >> If I was going to go, I would have left. >> You could, you know, a person could get a get a friend or something. >> I would have stayed here on my own reconnaissance if I was going to skip. >> That makes no sense. >> I don't think they're very happy because you got lawyered up. >> Okay. Well, and they were starting to uh add some pretty heavy accusations. So, I had to up their own fault. You know, this is just box of Kleenex. >> Yeah. Put that boxy Kleenex under your head. Not >> you might couple one time. Holy [ __ ] >> Crunch it down a little bit. >> You don't look like they in this box in months. >> You might be more comfortable. Just sit in the chair and put your head on the table. >> I've been in that terrible for 11 hours. Dad, his legs are starting to buffer. And my head, too. Come here. Are they going to hold me until they possibly They could be doing it. Maybe they're just detaining you to to make sure you don't go anywhere and then charge you with something. >> Until the time's up. >> Until the time's up. That could be too. >> What's the time at 5 in the morning? >> I don't know. I heard the lawyer say the clock. Is that what she said? No. If they don't if they arrest me after 5, I won't see the judge until Monday, >> right? Cuz it's another 24 hours. [Applause] >> That's right. Cuz you said they might keep you all night. Just keep you there and not do anything. >> Well, then they need to let us know. Okay. >> Well, they don't have to do anything. I mean us >> again. They don't have to do anything. >> The only thing they have to do at this point is not talk to him. >> Well, they can talk to us. >> Well, my just be careful what you say. >> The lawyer said that they were definitely going to let me go, but you don't know when. Well, on the phone strafe, >> but even if they even if they uh after what you told them, >> huh? Cool. >> That was what she called. >> Yeah. Came back. >> I understand. But there's things like that. Even if they ascertain that there's something there to charge him with. Who knows? They She said they're going to do something and they're supposed to stop and they're going to continue it on tomorrow or something is what she told me. >> I thought >> I don't know. >> Well, maybe. But they'll have to leave somebody there. That's like what she said that they might have to do some, you know, and then they'll leave there to >> watch the place. >> Yeah. >> But that doesn't mean that they have to leave here. I don't know that time either. At least in jail, you'd be in a bed. You should take pictures of this place. Say, "Listen, you know, >> $15 on the ground. >> They could at least have a cot, you know, like a bench or something." Yeah. that they could at least lay down on you. >> But they don't want you to be gone. >> I don't care. Then I'll call that lawyer back and say, "Look, listen, but I listen. He's been on the floor for hours. I would do listen. Thought I wouldn't be looking at the camera. I just [Music] >> Hello. Mom, every [ __ ] hotel that we went to, we went to two of them and they said that there there is no spots. They're sold out. >> They got those races. >> Yeah, they got the races. >> Look at Look at the microel. Yeah, look at the microel. >> Look at the microtail. >> Yeah, that's $110. >> That's $110 an hour. >> They're all going to be like that. Oh god, she's drunk. Just make a choice. >> I'll split it with you. Just go to the hotel if they got it. >> Mom, I have $30. >> You got money in savings. I will replace it tomorrow. >> I don't have the money with me in front of >> Where are you? >> So, go to the bank and get it out. Kind of [ __ ] compared to what I'm doing on a job. Just do it. Well, if you have if you don't have the cash with you, then just go home and get it. >> Okay. And then drive all the way back. >> Yep. It's not that far. Don't be interrogated. So, shut up. >> All right. >> All right. Bye. >> She's I don't I don't care. I don't either. Just be like, I don't want to talk about it any longer. You know, just say don't say that. Just say, you know what, Sarah, I've been through a lot. I just want to be left alone. >> I hope you can understand this, but I just need to be left alone. [Music] This is ridiculous. At this point, you got a lawyer back with her. Well, they said that she said that they could leave here all night. >> Maybe we should just go home and talk to him and say if it's going to be >> I mean, you can go home and I'll come back, but they probably won't let us back in. >> Ask them. Then you can go home. I'll come back. You have to let me >> because I need [Music] No, you don't come back. Okay, I can take you home and I get a call phone number to come back and they're getting you a pillow or something. Soft phone. Why the hell did they do that again? They got something blanket for something there at least because he's cold. >> I was told by my lawyer it would be quick. >> Well, you can use one for a pillow. Use one for a pillow, one to cover. >> Yeah, please. If anything transpires while we're gone, you have uh the my phone number. >> Yeah. Nice to 73. Ridiculous. everything that we gather from you. Okay. So, the uh the DNA is just going to be swabs of your cheek. Um and um you know a copy of this will be given to you um and then you can give it to your lawyer or we'll send over to the lawyer but your lawyer will have a chance to go over this. Okay. >> And then I will be released after. Correct. >> Um yeah. Yes. Okay. >> Because my lawyer is pretty adamant. What can I change >> with that? Because I've been here for like 13 14 hours. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um >> what can I change? And I just want to get it done. >> Okay. Um All right. Just give me a second. I had to redo that. >> Okay. >> Uh, do I need to sign anything? >> No. >> Okay. I'll be right back. Okay. >> Here's this. We're waiting on your dad, right? >> Um, yeah. Did you guys call him and tell him that I'm now released? >> Um, give me a second. Um, >> if you give me my phone, I can do that. >> Okay. I can't. They they also got a a separate warrant to seize um your electronic in electronic devices. >> Where is that? >> That's a separate warrant. >> I haven't seen it. >> Okay, you'll see it. >> Okay. [Music] Huh? The warrant was my pants and stuff. Yes. For your clothes somehow. The other one's already been done. >> Probably already done. >> No, not really. Just touch his cell phone. >> Well, they're going to use that for they need that. >> I guess there's another one from my electronic devices that standard mouse. >> I'm just the mouse. >> Yeah. Um, thanks for get your DNA. >> Little things everywhere. They they have pictures for all of them. I don't know if they can talk about Mike or not. [Applause] Let me go. You know, they need to have this. But just keep >> So then what they're doing is they're thinking you may have murdered her. >> Well, it doesn't say anything other than that. >> Well, they ain't going to find nothing because I didn't do nothing. Sorry, but I didn't. I mean, they can pin whatever they want on me. Just keep it down. Hold. Soon, I guess. Did they call you? >> No, I just came back. Since he took your clothes, it shouldn't be very long. Just want to go right now. Where does he sold? She's drunken as [ __ ] I think you just ask an excuse. I'm trying to find she's upset and everything. And I said, "Well, you know what? Everybody everybody handles the situation like that differently." >> Mhm. >> And you know, I didn't even get into it. I mean, look all the [ __ ] I got to deal with, man. You know, Do they know you're looking? >> What's wrong? The girl. Does he know? >> Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. She wants to go home, too. >> I wanted my cell phone back so I can call you and tell you. >> Well, they're not going to get that back to you. They might when you leave, >> but they may not. >> No, they don't. >> Because then that's evidence. [Music] >> Like stupid. >> Now you understand why they're doing all of this. I'm just trying to make sure you know. See here, these are all people. They're praying. Good. It's got to help somehow. Hundreds. That's got to help somehow. At least there's a bunch of power in her. There it is. Her last name is Fish. You must have two witnesses, not yourself or your son. The document must be signed and dated the same time the notary signs. Maybe Michelle can do it. >> All right, you guys ready to go? >> Yes. Pass out over here. Okay. [Music]