<b>In this episode of Cop Cam Max, </b> <b>police pull over a living trust</b> <b>for running a red light.</b> <b>The trust was in a hurry, after all</b> <b>living entities have bodily needs.</b> <b>Hello</b> <b>I'm officer</b> <b>Meloche</b> <b>So the reason I stopped</b> <b>is that light back there,</b> <b>there was plenty enough</b> <b>time to stop before the red.</b> <b>So by the time he actually</b> <b>made it into the intersection,</b> <b>the light was already red, okay?</b> <b>So next time when it's yellow like that,</b> <b>you gotta be slowing down</b> <b>and stopping, all right?</b> <b>You got your license</b> <b>registration insurance with you?</b> <b>Okay, the light's out of your eyes,</b> <b>you can put your hand down.</b> <b>Do you have your license</b> <b>registration insurance with you?</b> <b>Ma'am?</b> <b>Ma'am?</b> <b>Where's your license at?</b> <b>If you don't give your</b> <b>license to that officer, okay?</b> <b>It's a refusal.</b> <b>And then it's a resisting obstructing.</b> <b>I have to use the bathroom.</b> <b>That's why I went through the light.</b> <b>We don't need to make</b> <b>a big deal out of this,</b> <b>let me just borrow your license,</b> <b>your registration, your insurance.</b> <b>I don't have all those things.</b> <b>Why not?</b> <b>Because I don't, I was</b> <b>just dropping my daughter off.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>You got a ID on you? </b> <b> Ma'am?</b> <b>Yeah, any type of--</b> <b>My name is Leta __</b> <b>Okay, you got anything</b> <b>with your name on it or no?</b> <b>Do you have anything</b> <b>with your name on it?</b> <b>I don't want to give it to you,</b> <b>I can show it to you.</b> <b>Okay, that's fine. Just hold it for me.</b> <b>Can I talk to your supervisor?</b> <b>No.</b> <b>Ma'am, I need you to display that license</b> <b>at least until I can write it down.</b> <b>What you're doing is illegal. </b> <b>I have a right to the main silent.</b> <b>Y'all are forcing me--</b> <b>Okay, then go ahead and plead your fifth.</b> <b>Y'all got guns on you.</b> <b>And y'all with me and my children.</b> <b>Stop embarrassing yourself.</b> <b>I'm not embarrassing myself.</b> <b>provide proof of insurance.</b> <b>I don't have any of those things with me.</b> <b>I wasn't supposed to be driving.</b> <b>I don't know why she got to act this way.</b> <b>Nothing worth acting like a</b> <b>child for, that's for sure.</b> <b>Ma'am, stay in the car.</b> <b>Get back in your car.</b> <b>Don't touch me! </b> <b>Do not touch me!</b> <b>Why they grabbing me? Help me!</b> <b>Okay, relax.</b> <b>HELP!</b> <b>Relax.</b> <b>Help me!</b> <b>5-2 Send another unit here.</b> <b>But why you doing this to me?</b> <b>In front of my car.</b> <b>Help me!</b> <b>Help me!</b> <b>Relax.</b> <b>Why you all doing--</b> <b>No!</b> <b>Relax.</b> <b>Why are you doing this to me?</b> <b>Relax.</b> <b>Why y'all doing this to me? No!</b> <b>How the f*** can I relax</b> <b>when y'all doing this to me?</b> <b>No, it ain't no relax.</b> <b>You're hurting me. </b> <b>No, you're hurting my wrist.</b> <b>Can you please release me?</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>You're hurting me.</b> <b>Why y'all doing this?</b> <b>Why are you jumping out of the car?</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>I told you, that's why I</b> <b>went through the light!</b> <b>Why did you start fighting him?</b> <b>Who did I fight?</b> <b>My partner...</b> <b>No, I didn't!</b> <b>You were pulling away from him.</b> <b>Pulling away from him?</b> <b>Ma'am, spread your feet.</b> <b>Kick your feet out real quick.</b> <b>Do you have anything on you</b> <b>that I need to know about?</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>I feel like I'm dying.</b> <b>Why are you acting like this?</b> <b>Because I was trying</b> <b>to get my daughter to...</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>And this is going to</b> <b>get you there sooner?</b> <b>No, I didn't expect</b> <b>y'all to mess with me.</b> <b>I'm a retired fireman.</b> <b>Okay, we're all firemen. We don't care.</b> <b>Okay?</b> <b>You're a fireman?</b> <b>Yes.</b> <b>We're public safety.</b> <b>But if I was -- If I look like you,</b> <b>you treat me different.</b> <b>Why am I talking to you?</b> <b>Why are you being</b> <b>racist towards me right now?</b> <b>Well, no.</b> <b>Y'all being racist towards me.</b> <b>You're getting a</b> <b>resisting charge as well.</b> <b>How?</b> <b>A resisting?</b> <b>How am I resisting?</b> <b>You jumped out of the car</b> <b>and then you pulled away</b> <b>No, I went out of the car to get tissue </b> <b>Can you please let -- </b> <b>Can I just sit on the concreate?</b> <b>No.</b> <b>Sit in the vehicle.</b> <b>Sit down.</b> <b>You want another charge?</b> <b>Sit down.</b> <b>Put your feet in.</b> <b>Hello.</b> <b>Do any of you have a valid license?</b> <b>Wasn't driving.</b> <b>What?</b> <b>I wasn't driving.</b> <b>Okay, so here's the deal, okay?</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>She's going to jail.</b> <b>So before we tow the car, does anybody</b> <b>have a valid license that</b> <b>we can release the car to?</b> <b>I'm sorry?</b> <b>That's not what I'm asking.</b> <b>Can we remain in park?</b> <b>If someone in here has a valid license,</b> <b>yes, car will be released.</b> <b>If not, it will be impounded.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>So that's the decision</b> <b>that we want to make.</b> <b>If everyone wants to plead the fifth and</b> <b>remain silent and go sovereign on us,</b> <b> that's perfectly fine too.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>So do you have an ID?</b> <b>Does anybody have a</b> <b>valid driver's license?</b> <b>No.</b> <b>No?</b> <b>Can I talk to a supervisor, please?</b> <b>That's me Ma'am. I'm a sergeant.</b> <b>Hi, Sergeant.</b> <b>Listen, I have a...</b> <b>Listen, I have a-- sergeant, I have an</b> <b>Sergeant, I have a</b> <b>irrevocable living trust.</b> <b>A what?</b> <b>A irrevocable living trust.</b> <b>What's that mean?</b> <b>It means this is trust property.</b> <b>I'm sorry?</b> <b>It's trust property.</b> <b>What's trust property?</b> <b>My car, ME, all of it is trust.</b> <b>I have an estate.</b> <b>All that is going on right</b> <b>now is all misunderstanding.</b> <b>I'm tired.</b> <b>See why it's kind of dangerous in</b> <b>this day and age for someone to get out</b> <b>and pop their truck.</b> <b>You know what?</b> <b>I'm one of them people who actually was</b> <b>stupid enough to believe that color don't</b> <b>matter and that y'all</b> <b>would have understood.</b> <b>I just...</b> <b>That's why I got out my car.</b> <b>Race has nothing to do with it, ma'am.</b> <b>You-- it's dangerous for someone </b> <b>to get out of the car and pop their truck.</b> <b>I mean, what do you think...</b> <b>I have my children with me</b> <b>because I'm black</b> <b>you think I do something to you?</b> <b>I had never...</b> <b>You're the one bringing race--</b> <b>Y'all got weapons on y'all.</b> <b>I'm telling you, right now</b> <b>it's dangerous for us if someone to got out of</b> <b>the car and pop their truck.</b> <b>I was trying to get...</b> <b>It's not a normal for a traffic check for</b> <b>someone to get out of the</b> <b>car and pop their truck.</b> <b>I was trying to get some tissue.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>And I try to teach my</b> <b>children there's no racism.</b> <b>Come on now.</b> <b>There is no racism.</b> <b>Why are they talking to my children?</b> <b>They're just checking to</b> <b>make sure they're okay.</b> <b>Well, listen.</b> <b>You got a whole bunch</b> <b>of cops around them.</b> <b>They're probably scared.</b> <b>Of course they're scared.</b> <b>I'm scared.</b> <b>Now doing</b> <b>they grabbed me.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>They just grabbed their injured mom,</b> <b>their disabled mom,</b> <b>and they manhandled me.</b> <b>They treated me like</b> <b>a n***r in the street.</b> <b>So what do you mean?</b> <b>First of all, don't use words like that.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>I'm sorry.</b> <b>That's how I'm treated in this society.</b> <b>I can promise you I did</b> <b>not treat you that way.</b> <b>I apologize if you say you didn't, but in</b> <b>this society, I've been</b> <b>treated like that for 52 years.</b> <b>And I'm sorry about that, but you know, I</b> <b>didn't treat you like that because...</b> <b>Look me up and see if I'm</b> <b>a retired fire department.</b> <b>I totally believe you.</b> <b>I'm not disputing that fact.</b> <b>I'm not a criminal. I'm not a felon.</b> <b>She was trying to play the whole</b> <b>sovereign citizen thing </b> <b> where she thought</b> <b>she didn't have to provide any</b> <b>information, regardless of who she is.</b> <b>When a traffic stop is initiated, you</b> <b>are require to provide three things.</b> <b>Driver's license,</b> <b>insurance, and proof of registration.</b> <b>All right?</b> <b>All three.</b> <b>And if you fail to provide a license</b> <b>That is when if you watch most videos,</b> <b>you see like officers</b> <b>break windows and all that.</b> <b>That's what happens.</b> <b>We didn't do that.</b> <b>Right?</b> <b>But then whoever she is, you decides to</b> <b>jump out of the car.</b> <b>Not also going to do that either.</b> <b>Because again, if you look at the Oakland</b> <b>County deputy that I just got shot.</b> <b>Guess what happened there?</b> <b>Three people jumped out and</b> <b>guess what happened to him?</b> <b>He got killed.</b> <b>Right?</b> <b>I know you probably think it's a joke.</b> <b>I see you smirking.</b> <b>I ain't too happy with you.</b> <b>I'm not smirking.</b> <b>I'm not smirking.</b> <b>And I know damn well--</b> <b>That was just my resting face.</b> <b>I know damn well when</b> <b>she gets in the car,</b> <b>she's going to blame all this on us.</b> <b>And that's fine by me.</b> <b>Can they please get</b> <b>away from my children?</b> <b>My children are innocent.</b> <b>Well, that's okay.</b> <b>Why is he holding his gun</b> <b>like he don't shoot my child?</b> <b>They just they're just going</b> <b>to be there doing their jobs.</b> <b>Why is he holding his gun like that?</b> <b>Because that's what's comfortable.</b> <b>You always --</b> <b>Because -- because they're black?</b> <b>No, that's nothing to do with it.</b> <b>Or y'all think we're black?</b> <b>We're not even black.</b> <b>We're indigenous.</b> <b>I never said you're black.</b> <b>No, but they're holding-- why is</b> <b>he holding his gun at my car</b> <b> with my children?</b> <b>That's where people's</b> <b>hands rest comfortably.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>All right.</b> <b>All right.</b> <b>So here's the deal for tonight.</b> <b>You could be going in</b> <b>for resisting and obstructing.</b> <b>Was not resisting.</b> <b>Okay, I understand.</b> <b>So I think there's a little bit of a</b> <b>mix-up and you misunderstood what</b> <b>was going on during this traffic stop.</b> <b>That's why you came</b> <b>out of the car, right?</b> <b>No, I needed to get to the bathroom.</b> <b>Okay, so listen.</b> <b>We're just going to issue a</b> <b>citation for the red light.</b> <b>We're not going to take you in.</b> <b>We could but we're not</b> <b>going to go down that road.</b> <b>You got your kids with you.</b> <b>I respect that, okay?</b> <b>So slide your feet out.</b> <b>We're going to get you out of here.</b> <b>Send you back on your way.</b> <b>We're just going to go up to</b> <b>the front of my car real quick.</b> <b>Y'all did this in front of my children.</b> <b>Right on up here.</b> <b>Had you stayed in your car</b> <b> this wouldn't have happened. </b> <b>How would you like somebody</b> <b>treat your mama like this?</b> <b>Now I'm just asking.</b> <b>Well, my mom doesn't jump out on traffic stops</b> <b> and start fighting cops.</b> <b>I can tell you that much.</b> <b>I did not fight you.</b> <b>I would never. </b> <b>I'm a woman.</b> <b>You pulled away from my partner.</b> <b>No, I didn't mean to pull away.</b> <b>That's okay.</b> <b>You scare me.</b> <b>Like I said, it's a misunderstanding.</b> <b>Wrists</b> <b>Look at my wrists.</b> <b>Your wrists are okay. (2X)</b> <b>Your wrists are okay.</b> <b>Just try and calm down.</b> <b>Do you have a momma?</b> <b>Back to your car.</b> <b>Do you have a mama?</b> <b>Back on the car.</b> <b>All good</b> <b>The citation is on your dashboard with</b> <b>your driver's license.</b> <b>Okay.</b> <b>Try and calm down</b> <b>and then drive off safely.</b> <b>You guys ever be in a traffic stop,</b> <b>don't hop out of the car.</b> <b>Have a good night.</b> <b>Officer Meloche would you</b> <b>please state your name?</b> <b>Yes ma'am, first name</b> <b>Nathan, N-A-T-H-A-N,</b> <b>last Meloche, M-E-L-O-C-H-E.</b> <b>And Ms. __, would you</b> <b>please state your name?</b> <b>I'm the executor, executrix</b> <b>of the estate for Leta ___.</b> <b>All right, so we're here</b> <b>today for looks like a ticket</b> <b>that was issued.</b> <b>All right, Officer Meloche, it's the</b> <b>government's burden.</b> <b>So you'll go first,</b> <b>raise your right hand.</b> <b>Do solemnly swear affirm the testimony</b> <b>about to give is the truth</b> <b>and nothing but the truth</b> <b>under the penalties of perjury.</b> <b>I do.</b> <b>All right, so what can you tell me</b> <b>about the ticket that was issued?</b> <b>Yes ma'am, citation was issued due to</b> <b>Ms. Miss ___, disobeying the red light</b> <b>at actually Coolidge and North End.</b> <b>And then once that light cycled through,</b> <b>I initiated a traffic</b> <b>stop just North of Pearson,</b> <b>just south of Albany on Coolidge there,</b> <b>at about approximately 10.45 PM.</b> <b>about approximately 10.45 PM.</b> <b>At that time, I wanted to speak to Ms. ___</b> <b>Initially she refused,</b> <b>she did provide a license</b> <b>and eventually started speaking with me.</b> <b>Returned to my patrol</b> <b>vehicle at which time</b> <b>she exited her vehicle,</b> <b>went to the rear of her</b> <b>vehicle, opened up her trunk,</b> <b>Went up to speak with</b> <b>her and escort her back</b> <b>to her seat in her car,</b> <b>at which point she started resisting.</b> <b>So my fellow officer and I took her to</b> <b>the front of my car,</b> <b>spoke with her, initially</b> <b>handcuffed for officer safety.</b> <b>We released her without</b> <b>charging her for the misdemeanor,</b> <b>sorry, misdemeanor for</b> <b>resisting obstructing.</b> <b>And we just went with</b> <b>the disobeyed red light.</b> <b>And actually at</b> <b>minute 158 of my body cam,</b> <b>Ms. ___ does admit to the</b> <b>infraction of disobeying the red light</b> <b>stated she had to use the bathroom.</b> <b>When you say "resisting," what do you mean?</b> <b>So initially we went up to her,</b> <b>asked her to step away from the trunk,</b> <b>obviously we didn't</b> <b>know what was in there.</b> <b>She then began to retreat from officers.</b> <b>We then grabbed her arms to</b> <b>help escort her to her vehicle,</b> <b>at which point she</b> <b>tensed up and pulled away</b> <b>and started screaming at us.</b> <b>What do you mean by</b> <b>screaming, what did she say?</b> <b>All I have here is that</b> <b>she was kept screaming,</b> <b>help me</b> <b>Initially when</b> <b>she was in her vehicle,</b> <b>she stated she didn't</b> <b>want to speak with us</b> <b>and that we were forcing her to say</b> <b>things against her will.</b> <b>And that she was nervous</b> <b>because we had our side arms</b> <b>and we were near her children.</b> <b>Once she was</b> <b>resisting, all I have noted here</b> <b>is that she kept screaming, help me.</b> <b>And umm, </b> <b>That's all I've got in terms of that.</b> <b>I don't have access to my body camera</b> <b>footage at this time.</b> <b>All right, Ms. ___.</b> <b>I'm the executrix for the</b> <b>hi, I'm the executrix for the trust for Leta ___</b> <b>All right, Ms. __ raise your right hand.</b> <b>Do solemnly swear</b> <b>and affirm that the testimony you're about</b> <b>to give is the truth and nothing about the truth</b> <b>under the penalties of perjury?</b> <b>I do.</b> <b>All right, what can you</b> <b>tell me about the ticket</b> <b>that was issued to you?</b> <b>Your Honor, I actually put in paperwork</b> <b>and asked for discovery,</b> <b>And I was advised</b> <b>that umm</b> <b>I shouldn't testify</b> <b>until I get my discovery packet.</b> <b>So this isn't a criminal case.</b> <b>It is a civil infraction.</b> <b>You were free to order under</b> <b>the Freedom of Information Act,</b> <b>any information regarding</b> <b>this case prior to the hearing.</b> <b>So it's not like a criminal case.</b> <b>It's a different standard,</b> <b>it's just a preponderance.</b> <b>It's not beyond a reasonable doubt,</b> <b>But you most certainly</b> <b>would have had access to that</b> <b>if you just FOIAed the report</b> <b>or the body cam in this case.</b> <b>But we are having the hearing today</b> <b>and you're free to give</b> <b>me your side of the story</b> <b>if you so choose.</b> <b>On a day in question, </b> <b>I WENT THROUGH A RED LIGHT.</b> <b>I had to use the</b> <b>bathroom, like really desperately.</b> <b>I had three teenagers in a car with me.</b> <b>And when the officers</b> <b>approached my vehicle,</b> <b>touching their side arms,</b> <b>My daughter had my</b> <b>identification, had the identification</b> <b>and I explained to them</b> <b>that this was a trust situation</b> <b>and they didn't care.</b> <b>She was terrified and she</b> <b>ended up taking out my ID</b> <b>because she did not want us to get killed</b> <b>or beat up or anything.</b> <b>Because things have</b> <b>happened to family members.</b> <b>I didn't wanna get tased.</b> <b>She didn't want us to get</b> <b>tased or beaten or killed.</b> <b>So she ended up taking out my ID</b> <b>because I did not have to identify.</b> <b>There was no, it was not a</b> <b>situation for identifying,</b> <b>but we were forced to</b> <b>because of the guns and stuff.</b> <b>And my children were terrified.</b> <b>My son's girlfriend was in a car.</b> <b>She was terrified.</b> <b>I told him it was a trust situation.</b> <b>And I told him I had to use the restroom.</b> <b>And because he said something about me</b> <b>going through the red light,</b> <b>which there was no traffic.</b> <b>The traffic light is the direct traffic.</b> <b>There was no traffic.</b> <b>I REALLY had to go.</b> <b>And I was really trying</b> <b>to get to the destination</b> <b>because I have a medical condition</b> <b>that's life threatening right now.</b> <b>So I explained it was a trust </b> <b>And they went to the car</b> <b>and I got out to get</b> <b>tissue out of my car,</b> <b>which I have a receipt and a picture</b> <b>that I did have tissue in my car.</b> <b>I was gonna use the</b> <b>bathroom on the side of a house</b> <b>or wherever,</b> <b>because I was not gonna</b> <b>expose myself to waste matter</b> <b>with my blood condition.</b> <b>I, they came up to me and I was like,</b> <b>like, ma'an, what are you doing?</b> <b>They all rushed towards me.</b> <b>They all grabbed me.</b> <b>Then all of a sudden</b> <b>somebody had their hands</b> <b>between my legs, brisket</b> <b>touching me, my breasts,</b> <b>searching me.</b> <b>They pushed me up against the car.</b> <b>They put cuffs on me</b> <b>in front of my children.</b> <b>They put me in the back of the car.</b> <b>I was screaming for help.</b> <b>They went up to the car</b> <b>and they were taunting my son</b> <b>in front of his girlfriend</b> <b>and his little sister</b> <b>who looks up to him like,</b> <b>I said, I just have to use the bathroom.</b> <b>I asked them nicely. I said,</b> <b>can you please just sit me</b> <b>on the ground?</b> <b>I do not want to</b> <b>waste inside of your car.</b> <b>I wasted myself in my car</b> <b>once I got back in my car</b> <b>after they put me in the back of the car.</b> <b>So that's what happened on that day.</b> <b>And I asked the officers,</b> <b>how would you want your mother handled?</b> <b>I'm an older woman </b> <b>And he did this in front of my children.</b> <b>I went to the temple earlier that day,</b> <b>a sacred Hindu temple and did sacred rituals.</b> <b>Was it nobody supposed to be touching me?</b> <b>And somebody just came up to me</b> <b>and was touching between</b> <b>my legs and my breasts.</b> <b>And I don't know where they came from.</b> <b>They were all surrounding me.</b> <b>Anything else you want to say, Ms. ___?</b> <b>I was screaming for help because I was</b> <b>terrified for my life.</b> <b>I was not guilty of anything, but needing</b> <b>to use the bathroom and</b> <b>not want to soil myself.</b> <b>I just wanted to get to my destination,</b> <b>which literally</b> <b> two minutes away.</b> <b>I did not make it.</b> <b>All right, the court is with testimony</b> <b>from Officer Meloche and</b> <b>from Ms. _____ in this case,</b> <b>the standard is a</b> <b>preponderance of evidence.</b> <b>Mr. Meloche testified that he saw Ms. ____</b> <b>run the red light at</b> <b>Coolidge in North End.</b> <b>Ms. ___ acknowledged running the red</b> <b>light at, uh,</b> <b>With knowledge of running the red light in</b> <b>question in this case.</b> <b>The people's burden is satisfied beyond</b> <b>preponderance of the</b> <b>evidence in this case.</b> <b>I'm finding Ms. ___ responsible for</b> <b>running a red light.</b> <b>The fine is going to be $165.</b> <b>You'll have till October 1st to pay it.</b> <b>I will send that to the _______ address</b> <b>where we send the other notices.</b> <b>You'll get the paperwork in the mail.</b> <b>You're all set.</b> <b>Excuse me, Your Honor.</b> <b>So what I'm asking you is</b> <b> let me-- I have a question.</b> <b>You're telling me, is it, is the court</b> <b>telling me that trust,</b> <b>trust, um,</b> <b>trust</b> <b>situations</b> <b>are not seen as trust</b> <b>because this is a trust matter.</b> <b>This is not--</b> <b>There's no, there's no, there's no trust</b> <b>situation recognized by the court.</b> <b>You are responsible.</b> <b>Make sure you pay the fine by October 1st.</b> <b>Thanks for watching. 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