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no you're supposed to be at 37E ah no ma'am you think I would make this up you think I would hold everybody it's right here it's also right here hey sir there's an there's an issue with her on her app it's saying 13 e seat 13E a boarding pass that doesn't match the airline's records a captain who has already made his decision and a passenger who refuses to move even as deputies close in but when federal law gives the captain near absolute power why did she think she could win no you're supposed to be at 37E ah no ma'am you think I would make this up you think I would hold everybody it's right here it's also right here I understand she didn't hey sir there's an there's an issue with her on her app it's saying 13 e so I'm gonna ask her to come out will you please will she come out does she have luggage uh yes with her she does have a personal item on a carry on okay yeah she insist she's insisting that you don't have to unload everyone how's everything okay and you don't want her flying at all not even if she moves her seat okay all right um I'm gonna have to what's your name Camille Camille Peterson I have her come up here sit in this seat yes she's in 30 she's supposed to sit in this seat she don't wanna go she don't wanna go well now the captain says no it doesn't matter she don't wanna get up so can you ask her to come up here please she's not gonna come she said you have a drug arrest but you're not going nowhere that's what she said unless you leave that with her hello Camille how are you Deputy Soto I'm grieving exactly how I'm doing I'm trying to get to a funeral I'm sorry today okay ma'am I'm sorry about that today but now I'm sitting in my assigned seat no you're supposed to be at 37E ma'am no ma'am you think I would make this up you think I would hold everybody it's right here it's also right here that's a screenshot ma'am it's the app view my boarding pass why would I make that up let me see why would I make that up it's unspirited spirit you think I'm gonna waste my time it says 13 feet that's where I am OK give me a minute let me let me see your phone listen no I'm gonna hold my phone I'm trying to help you are you yes because doesn't everyone else see this have I I came here respectfully I understand that but I've been so disrespected let me understand I'm just trying to get I understand Chicago I have a funeral tonight but this is I've been working all day I understand I don't work for your spirit I know that but you're tired okay I'm trying to be patient I've lost my Zen okay relax relax just take it down just a little I'm trying to help you then talk to them okay let me go talk to them but I need to see the phone I'm gonna give it right back I'm on body camera I'm not gonna take your phone I don't think that you're gonna take my phone I would just like to have my body camera you see what I'm saying okay let me see what I'm not from Florida let me see what I can do okay if you're correct then you then everything should be fine why make this up well because everything is here saying that you're on 30 you're supposed to be in 37E so I don't know what the mix up is they mixed it up which give me they need to fix let me see that's not that's the app right yes it's the app okay give me one minute OK let me talk to the captain that's not correct hey sir I know it's on her app though but if she refreshed she would have seen her screen a screenshot OK that's a screenshot OK that's a screenshot she opened it up for me so let show me how yeah that doesn't show you this let me see in 11 hours too in four hours yeah in four hours too this is on her wallet I understand she didn't hey sir there's an there's an issue with her on her app it's saying 13E so the thing is with the ticket her and spirit something happened but she's supposed to be as from when she when she originally purchased a ticket said 13E but now she's being told she gotta go to so I understand her not wanting to leave but there's something's gotta give with her and spirit then it's not you see what I'm saying like I like I'm I don't want to kick somebody off who doesn't deserve to be kicked off because of a of an error that's that's my that's my concern here's my concern she's not complying with the instructions that's a no way out no I understand that complying with the instructions on the airplane she's not gonna comply with the air I don't want her on the air no I understand that this Spirit Airlines incident at Fort Lauderdale presents a textbook application of Federal Aviation Authority the controlling statute is Title 49 of the United States Code section 44 9 0 2 subsection b this provision grants air carriers permissive refusal authority over any passenger deemed inimical to safety federal courts review this discretion only for arbitrariness as established in Williams versus Trans World Airlines The Ninth Circuit reinforced this difference in Cordero versus Compañía Mexicana de aviación once the captain decides a passenger will not fly no constitutional right compels boarding or continued occupancy this federal authority is the foundation everything that follows flows from it as a matter of legal consequence the next layer is state law Florida Statutes Section 8 to 10.08 governs trespass in a conveyance the statute criminalizes refusing to depart after warning by an authorized person the aircraft cabin qualifies as a conveyance the captain qualifies as an authorized person the warning was issued and refused perfecting probable cause at that moment the encounter ceased to be a customer service dispute and became a misdemeanor in progress I don't I don't know but I'm gonna tell you right now what's your name again I mean this is why don't you ask ask them I'm speaking to you what's your name my name is I don't know your name because I don't have I didn't speak to you so let's let's let's hold on let's let's have a conversation like two human beings OK so I'm gonna take listen that's fine you don't wanna have a conversation that's fine let me tell you what's gonna happen what is there a conversation you're gonna come off the plane if you refuse to come off the plane I'm gonna take this is my I'm giving you last warning you refuse to come off the plane you're gonna go to jail today i'mma deep plane everyone off the plane i'mma drag you off the plane that's fine I'll give you my last warning alright alright she said she's not coming off I tried I tried I tried we we came here was a police yeah they were here earlier for different flight no different flight 36 earlier different flight an incoming flight yeah you have your ID on you I just talked to the two pilots third time it's happened today just to let you know twice in Atlanta this is the third time oh really it's one of those days here's the other thing she's in a f*cking exit room you got somebody emotionally emotionally disturbed and upset and now they're in an exit room yeah what is your you're not you're not saying people lie no no I don't think anybody ever lied to me in all my years on the police department nobody ever lied to me yup what's your phone number sir 9 5 4 be honest with you there were some people wanting to give up their seats for her oh really yeah it was too late I thought they were exiting out hey I'll I'll give up my seat for her I'm like too late you know I don't even think that would have helped you know I know what she was she's not moving out she was she's just she's adamant because of the fact it says and and I and I told her I said this happened to me before I showed up for my flight my seat was changed because and it says right there something to change we tried but it is what it is that's it OK Sergeant's on the way just stand by all right she's your supervisor right yeah let me get your information listen I just started working here you just start well get f*ck welcome to Fort Lauderdale Times I tried to help her alright yeah yeah that's what we do that's what we do playing the plan yeah you gotta you gotta call the door all right sorry no we're gonna come off the plane or we're gonna let us use force against you all right you really wanna go to jail you really wanna go to jail OK let's not make it a second time or a third time let's just get off the plane this is the final chance once the handcuffs go on I'm not doing there's no there's no negotiating listen get off the plane or go to jail I said I'm not doing anything one last chance off the plane or off the plane you go to jail what am I doing I'm not gonna tell you off the plane or off the plane you go to jail you choose right now what do you wanna do what do you wanna do disorderly conduct under Florida statute section 8 7 7.03 offers a secondary charging theory Florida courts require corrupt acts that affect the peace and quiet of persons who witness them the demand to deplane all passengers combined with sustained disruption plausibly satisfies that statutory threshold a more serious concern arises under Florida Statutes section 8 3 1.01 addressing forgery if a fabricated boarding document was knowingly displayed to deceive law enforcement this elevates the criminal exposure substantially on the use of force question the controlling authority remains Graham versus Conner decided in 1989 force must be objectively reasonable under the totality of circumstances viewed from the officer's perspective at the moment of decision here the operative force was officer presence and verbal command no strikes no weapons no restraint techniques beyond escort holds this is constitutionally unimpeachable Atwater versus Lago Vista further confirms custodial arrest is permitted for minor misdemeanors Deputy Soto earns a B+ the pre contact investigation conversational opening and structured countdown reflect sound technique audible frustration during the final exchanges and the absence of an explicit lawful order framing prevent a higher Mark the passenger receives a d federal preemption of carrier authority left her no legal ground to occupy voluntary departure at the final warning is the only fact preventing a failing grade and additional resisting charges the Spirit Airlines crew and pilot receive an a minus for following proper escalation protocol and lawful command authority off the plane off the plane to go to jail pick one he's asking you please stand up and walk off 5 if you stand up and walk off you can rebook 3 2 if not you're going to jail come on alright let's go come on stand up temple it's going with your stuff in the bag that's your only bag man there's somebody Ramson yep I can see him do you wanna bring a Ramson yeah we're going somewhere right through here right right through here yep what's wrong can you open it no I don't have the someone has the code I got it I got it I got it I got it I got it I got it I got it oh careful now don't get me no trouble let's examine the constitutional framework the lesson for passengers is straightforward the captain's decision to refuse transport is effectively final under federal law disputes over seat assignments belong in customer service channels after the flight never in standoffs that invite criminal charges the lesson for officers is the value of investigative humility before enforcement paired with clear consequence statements when negotiation fails the lesson for carriers is the importance of proactive seat change communication which would eliminate the predicate for many such confrontations let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic that you would like us to discuss in the comments below thank you for watching and don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more content on police court interactions
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