He works in DC at the Watergate. It's one of his condo. Irish mafia thugs and you're going to get it good. On June 6th, 2022, two body cameras, two states, two arrests, one legal framework. Georgia, a woman refuses to leave a grocery store and to identify herself. Florida, a bystander blocks an officer executing an arrest. Neither was protected. Do you have any grounds for that? That's all legal. So, they are banning you from the store, so you are going to leave. What can you explain a legal reason why? So, No, you didn't I don't want a legal reason, please. I don't have to explain anything to you, so pick your stuff up. >> Get away from >> This way. Get away from I'm calling the police. I am the police. >> No, you're not. You're not. >> So, you're going to stop right here. What is your name? I don't give I don't give to strangers my name. >> Stop. Is there another police Can I speak >> your name? Can I please talk to another police? Wait a minute. What have I done illegally wrong? Okay. Let me explain to you. Have I stolen? Have I hit anybody? Have I done anything wrong? What? Okay, you're going to let me talk and explain? I will. All right, don't interrupt me again. Go. You don't give me any type of orders, okay? So, don't inter- interrupt me when I'm talking. You're going to interrupt Yep. What is your name? I'm asking you what is the legal reason >> So, they want you out of the store. Okay, but what is the legal criteria? What Okay, let me ask you this. What What have you been doing in here today, reason that they want you out? So, the call that we got was you were in here causing a disturbance. No. >> Cursing people out. >> curse anyone. That stuff that I I never said a curse word. Can you put that on the video so I can see it? I don't know. You're You're going to You're going to have to ask them. >> and I'd like to talk to my lawyer, please. I need concrete evidence and I'd like to talk to my What is your name, ma'am? That's not I haven't done anything wrong and you don't need to give anyone anybody your name cuz that's the called the Privacy Act. The Privacy Act under the federal law Privacy Act. The privacy is if you have not committed a crime, you don't need to give any officer you are the same level as me if I haven't committed a crime. You cannot use brute force on somebody who has not committed a crime. I have not cursed. Can I see it on video? Can I please see some concrete evidence? Excuse me, but what crime have I committed to warrant you guys coming in here like a army to shoot me or something. I'd like to know in legal language what crime Disorderly conduct. All right, what is disorderly conduct? Please define it and I'd like to see it on video the disorderly conduct so you have proof. It's their word over mine. They are citizens, I am a citizen. So we are equal. So I need a video camera to see what I have done. I want concrete evidence on my video camera to see what I have done. You're choosing their word over my word. So I need it on a video camera to look at it. Can I see it on video? So what we got is a supervisor coming in. You can speak to the supervisor when they get here. Who's the supervisor? He's on his way here now. >> Is he a police? Yes, he is. Okay, well all I'm asking is in concrete language tell me the legal thing I have done wrong. >> Okay, let me explain to you, ma'am. I've just explained it to you just minutes before. So they are asking you to leave. They say you're a causing a disturbance in the store. >> I'm going to get my lawyer. What's your name, please? My name is Officer Carter. >> Okay, Carter and what is your name? Can I have your cards? Zimmerman, I'll remember that name. >> you banned from the store. >> Right, and I'm going to talk to my lawyer and get you fired. Okay, let's Don't touch me. You I didn't break any law. I have the right to defend myself under the Constitution, freedom of speech, privacy act. If I have not broken a law, you are equal to me. The only time a police can apprehend you is if you've broken a law. And if you don't have a video If you don't have a video proof to me that I broke a law, you are breaking the law because you are obstructing the Constitution of of United States of America. >> Yes, what you're doing. >> police have lost their badges that way. Okay. Mr. Carter, many have lost their badges. This is just hearsay. Hearsay is not legal. It's hearsay. Without the camera, I need to see the camera. And I want to prove to you I have not used any profanity. I'm very cautious about people with masks because they have been exposed to COVID, and I'm telling them to stay away from me, 6 ft socially distance themselves from me over there. I said socially distance themselves because they've been exposed to the COVID. I don't want them around me. That's all I said. Go look at at at the camera. The people with the masks have a higher likelihood that they've been exposed to people. That's why they're paranoia with the mask. I don't want to be around those people. And when they come over to me like this close, I said stay 6 ft away, please. Stay away from me. Don't come over to me. When I used that checkout line, I told that woman, I said, "When you use that checkout lines, keep your distance from me. I don't want you near me." That's why they called the police. And when I went over to the pharmacy, I said, "This country's too liberal because I know a lot of people that wear the mask have That's why they wear the mask in order because their doctors is a law. The doctors tell them that have the people that have lived in DC, they have to wear masks cuz they have weaker immune systems. I don't want people handling my stuff over at the pharmacy if they have a weaker immune system. The subject >> totally believing a black person over a white person. That's what this is about. I told a black person to socially distance themselves from me. Stop. And now because I'm white, I'm being kicked out of the store CUZ I'M WHITE. I'M being kicked out of the STORE BECAUSE I'M WHITE. IT'S A BLACK PERSON'S WORD OVER A WHITE PERSON'S WORD. NO, I'm because that's illegal. >> What's your name? >> I don't give my name. >> Now you're being disorderly and kind of a public [laughter] >> because you're breaking the Constitution. >> We're just trying to figure out what's going on. Well, let me go. That's what you can figure out. You just told me I'm trespassing, so leave me alone. Why police For a person shopping? Where is our tax money going? And secondly, my my The guy I live with works for the worked 25 years on the crime commission. And then my argument is give me the camera so I can look at the reason they're banning me cuz that's concrete evidence. The legal argument >> me a disturbance. All right, now I am cuz you've got five police bullying you. >> we've had customers that have been complaining about you doing that before. >> the names of the customers so I can tell my attorney? Okay, that's got could be the mafia because they don't like white people for all I know. >> Hello. That could be the mafia. I don't know. >> Ma'am. Focus on me. I'm talking to Miss Brown here. Wait, can I have your name, please, in writing? Sure. Your name? Yeah, I'll give you I'll give you that later. Are you going to listen to me right now? Okay? >> That's That's not polite language. Uh that's fine. You're not being polite to these officers. So, here's the deal. Under Georgia law, when they ask for your name, you're supposed to provide it or you could be arrested. >> No, my boyfriend works for the CIA and he tells >> who your boyfriend was. to jail. I want to go to jail. Bring me to jail right now. I want to talk to a magistrate. Well, that's it. I don't care. You're not resisting arrest. Thank you, ma'am. I want to talk to a magistrate. You do not have to freaking give your name to somebody when you have not committed a crime. That is called the Privacy Act of the United States of America and you are breaking the Constitution. You don't give your name when you don't break a law. It's For all I know, you're going to rob my house. I don't know who you are. Thank you, ma'am. I do not know who these men are. These are mafia. These are thugs. I have not broken any law. I have not done anything to anybody and these guys are arresting me cuz I'm white and they are the mafia. Can you show me on your computer or in writing that you have to give a person a name if you haven't broken a law? You did break a law. I did not break a law. >> disorderly inside the store. >> That's not a law. >> Ma'am, disorderly conduct That's the store is a police, you're telling me. The manager of the store of police Over my head. Ma'am, here's the deal. Have you looked at a video? Ma'am, he wants to ban you from the store. That's his prerogative. That's his store. If he wants to ban you, that's his prerogative. Yes. >> Okay? So, here's the deal. You can cooperate with us, but right now we asked you for your name multiple times. The reason is is we have to we have to have that on the sheet of paper cuz how we're going to identify >> P R O U T Y. It's going to rain. But I'm telling you the guy I live is going to be furious. He works He works in secretly for the FBI. >> I understand. I am not joking. My boyfriend's He works in D.C. at the Watergate is one of his condos. He told me to come to Savannah to get away from the area cuz that's where his assignment is and he is my He is my boyfriend and So, here's what's going to happen. They're going to be All it is is they're going to ban you from the store. It's really nothing much. >> is no legal basis. Why are you protecting them and not my rights? Ma'am, he has the right to kick you out of the store and ban you under city ordinance. >> cops? Am I I was willing to leave, but he wouldn't let me leave. I don't give my name. I'm sticking with my boyfriend. I believe in my boyfriend. He said you never give your name to a cop if you have not broken the law under the Privacy Act of the United States and he knows every ordinance and every law of this city. >> don't want you on the property anymore. Now, you're off You're Once you're off this area, you're off their property. You can't I'll even talk to my ex-husband and he know he'll say >> That's fine. He'll say a grocery store cannot kick you out unless you do something illegal because you need food. You have to be able to buy food. Yeah, they can't do that. No, they can't. My My ex-husband knows all the laws. Everyone knows the laws, but the police This is private, ma'am. I'm telling you I'm furious cuz you're breaking my Don't touch me, please. >> I'm going to have to ask you to leave. You can't be walking around or else we'll put you in the back of the car. >> My boyfriend He If you touch me, I am telling you the truth. He works for the CIA. He's higher than you. He will you, Anderson. I'm serious. Do not touch me. >> Ma'am, I don't want to hear threats made to officers. It's Friday. >> It's figurative. It's figurative. >> with anything like that? >> No, I'm not, but it's figurative. What I mean is he will have him fired for something. Okay. Tell me that too. leaving. Why does he need cops? Can you let them know? I got it. Wait a minute. I want my copy of that. Ma'am, take a seat in the car. You guys are a bunch of mafia, Irish mafia thugs, and you're going to get it good. Take a seat, ma'am. Irish mafia thugs. Georgia code section 16-7-21. Criminal trespass attaches the moment a patron refuses a lawful removal order. Officers need not resolve the underlying dispute. The refusal is the criminal act. The subject cited the federal Privacy Act of 1974 against providing her name. That statute, 5 U.S.C. section 552, A governs federal agency records, not state police identification requests. The Supreme Court resolved this in Hiibel versus Nevada, 2004. Compelling a name during a lawful stop does not violate the Fifth Amendment. Georgia is a stop and identify state. Refusal is obstruction. City of Houston versus Hill, 1987, protects offensive and false speech directed at police, but protection ends at conduct. Georgia code section 16-11-39, disorderly conduct, requires violent behavior or fighting words likely to provoke an immediate breach of the peace. Verbal confrontation does not satisfy that. Trespass and obstruction require only refusal delivered here on camera. No. Ma'am, take a seat. You need to get in your car. No, I do not. What is he doing? I'm not here for you. You're not a military. You're here for me. >> Sir. Ma'am, take a seat. Where are you? You need You need to get out of my space. Come here. Walk this way. Take me, man. Listen to me. No, you're a black woman. Listen to Please don't do that. Stop it. You better TELL HIM TO STOP HIM. STOP. STOP. STOP. MA'AM, TAKE ME. MA'AM, STOP. STOP. Take me. Don't take her. Honey, stop. Can you tell him to back up? Stop. You back up. Stop. Back up. You better call Kellenberger. >> Can you please stop? You better call HIM. >> STOP. KIM, STOP RESISTING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? You better call Kellenberger. That's fine. You better call Kellenberger. Kim, Stop. You better call Kellenberger. >> Listen to me. If you don't stop, I am going to taze you. Stop. She's about to taze you. Stop. Back up, dude. Listen to me, honey. >> Stop. Can you please stop? >> Back up. You better call Kellenberger. Honey, listen to me. No, Kellenberger. YOU CAN'T I WILL CALL HIM. You need to stop resisting. You [ __ ] >> he is your friend, you call him. >> Turn around. You're being Turn around. Stop. Kim, do you love me? Turn around, god damn it. You stop. I don't need any more. Thanks for your help. Back up. Kim, please stop. I'm sorry, man. She's trying to help a homeless person and you All I did was walk up. I understand, man. I understand. I don't want to hear any of that [ __ ] Get up. Up. Please fire her. Sit. Sit. Sit. No, no. Sit. In the car. I just bought a homeless man that chicken. Man. 32-22, I have a female detained. I just bought a homeless man a chicken. In Florida, statute section 843.02, resisting without violence, requires no strike, no weapon, no threat. Physically interposing between an officer and an arrestee, and refusing commands to step back, satisfies every element. Good motive is not a defense. The merits of the underlying arrest are irrelevant. Bystander obstruction liability turns solely on the bystander's own conduct. Get in there. Are you going to call the Linden Burger police, sir? I'm not right now. I'm going to call them. I got his card in my phone. Call Ramsey, man. So, I walk up and he's standing at the car talking. I guess he bought him food. And he says to her, I haven't said anything yet. She's here to arrest you. Where was he? He was standing at her car. Okay. He had a public ticket. And when I pulled up, she said to him, I had barely gotten out of my car. She's here to arrest you. Okay. She jumps up, no, you're not going to arrest him. >> Okay. Ma'am, move. But whatever issue I have with him doesn't have anything to do with her. I understand. >> Absolutely nothing to do with her. And if I say get away, and she refused to listen to me. I know that. >> Because listen, no, listen. Because it's just me, I let her be even though she was disrespectful, and I grabbed him and I tried to bring him to my car, and she intervened. She had no business intervening. Do you Do you get that? 100%. >> Good for you. Let me get her ID and let me get your ID. Can I explain? You can explain whatever you want, but there's nothing good about her behavior. >> No, I 100%. I think it's because her We were trying to buy a rotisserie chicken for this guy. But you guys don't know anything about him. >> No, 100%. You don't know who he is, what he's done. No, man, we don't. Yeah, you guys did a good deed. >> So, she does that all the time. She did a good deed. I am not I am not saying that she did not, but if I give you a lawful command to back up, you back up. Well, I Man, I get it. I understand. So, guess what? If she would have backed up, she wouldn't be in that car right now. I know that. There's no excuse. I know he was a troubled guy here or whatever. So, she, you know, like she was neighbors with Ramsey in Marathon. So, like I I used to Long story short, this doesn't matter. Long story short, >> It really doesn't. >> I know. Long story short, like she thought when y'all were running him off, she got a I didn't That That ain't Listen to me. I don't know what you're saying. Let me Let me Let me tell you, and I don't have to do this, how this happened. I pulled up Listen. I pulled up. He pointed at my car. I was getting out of the car. I heard him say to her, "They're here to arrest me." I hadn't said a word yet. I hadn't said anything. He said to her, "She's They're here to arrest me." I walk up, right? Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I get it. She jumps in the way. "You're not going to arrest him." I asked her to move. She said Get out. Oh, I'm getting out. Deputy Ferreira, you want me to spell it for you? F E R E I R A. Anything else? Don't even look at me with your hair all bad. Walk to the door. Don't talk to him. I was trying to feed a homeless person is what is what was going on. They're waiting for you. I'm waiting for Walk to the door. I ain't waiting for somebody to call either Do you need me to help you get to the door? No. So, walk. >> No. Sir, can you please call Ramsey? He's my friend. Please call Sheriff Rick Ramsey. No. He's my friend. No. He is my friend. All right. Come on. to me. Graham versus Connor 1989 governs use of force objective reasonableness from a reasonable officer's perspective based on circumstances then known. A taser warning without discharge against an actively non-compliant subject meets that standard. Georgia officers B minus lawful authority sustained de-escalation reduced for prolonged engagement creating unnecessary tactical exposure. Georgia subject Prouty D. Each refusal compounded her charges. Incorrect legal claims drove every escalation. Deputy Ferreira B methodical proportionate precise. Florida bystander C minus. Ultimately non-violent but good intent does not override obstruction statutes. Three principles confirmed. First, a disturbance complaint establishes reasonable articulable suspicion under Terry versus Ohio sufficient to detain and demand identification. Second, a removal order relayed by officers carries the force of criminal trespass law. A patron's preference to remain does not override the owner's right to exclude. Third, obstruction attaches to interference with the arrest not to the arrest's validity. The remedy for a wrongful arrest is a courtroom not the scene. Let us know if there is an interaction or legal topic you would like us to discuss in the comments below. Thank you for watching.