thank you all right sorry about that which one to get a few pictures of your hands and stuff um and I'll explain a little bit the reasoning why we do that okay um first off I'm detective Metz this is detective karinsky I'm sure you met him you haven't really talked to me much like I said went to high school to your mom so hopefully we can see if we can help each other out a little bit okay um before I talk to you I got a region Miranda warning do you know what that is that's what they tell you on TV where you have the right to remain sound I'm going to reitate that's very much what it is okay all right do you have the right to remain silent you understand that right anything you say can will be used to get you in a court of law do you understand that right yes yes okay you have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned you understand that yes hey you cannot afford to hire a lawyer one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish one you understand that yes now that you know that you want to talk to me about what happened today tell me what y'all know first that's the way it works brother obviously you know I mean we wouldn't be talking to you if we didn't know what happened but I need I need you to tell me the honest truth I'm here to help you believe it or not I know you don't believe me but you went down so fast I just what happened I know it was about a fight that happened yesterday right no no well I know you didn't have anything to do with it but this is the reasoning why you you guys got an argument right well then help me set it straight for you tell me what happened they've been messing with me when somebody was over there when I was walking through to get my food at the um it's on tomato I don't know which one it was it was at least eight people out there somebody pulled the gun up they put a gun out and ran up to the blue apartment upstairs he was looking at me and they already got shot and then I went down instead and I wanted to uh people house that y'all found yet we just chilled over there because College I was just like dang I said someone pulled a gun who pulled a gun oh no okay well here you see with again you know all those guys right you know you sure it wasn't you that had a gun okay correct me if I'm wrong what happened when the police found you up there what were you doing in apartment 216. I didn't do it why okay you didn't do anything wrong why you need to hide from the cops because I know my name was going to be involved in it regardless why because I had something to do with it what did you have to do with it the people I got into the argument okay you want to tell me a little more about it now I know there's more to it I mean I have a pretty good grasp of what's going on you know we just did right with the photographs that you told us we could do yeah fingerprint no the reason why she uses special lenses is to see if you have any kind of gunshot residue on your hands you want to be honest with me and tell me what's going on Now's the Time man you see what 15 years old you gotta choose a path in your life right now either a you're going to be honest with us and we can see we can do to help you out or B you're going to live a very tragic life so why don't you tell me the truth what really happened that's all I know what I told you we were out there when we first founded okay we talked about it right we talked about everything that kind of transpired already okay now we have you down here detectives let's just explain to you what we just did okay remember all the factors we discussed okay what I told you out there about you know Witnesses and everything else now it's time to be honest okay like I told you a lot of the stuff we don't need is we have all this evidence already now's your time do you really need to think about what you're gonna do because now is the time to try to be honest and try to make things right okay have you shot in self-defense or something you need to let us know what happened somebody at the front tomato pulled out a gun on me who wanted the kids tell me to go to school with yeah same grade yeah once you go by e I think he goes to the alternative all right what's your street name I know his last name gillisky excuse me okay what kind of gun was it 38 revolved how you know it's a 38. I've seen it how close okay so what did you do then randomly where'd you get your gun from sorry to be honest what do your friends give it to you something like that okay where'd you put it doesn't any bud somewhere take it back to your buddy awesome we know you're trying to hide the truth from us just be honest with us and tell us what's going on we can see we need to help you out I don't know what else we need there is there's helping you this isn't the final moment of your life okay life continues pass here right we make poor choices in life nobody's perfect you didn't kill anybody you're going along that path but you haven't done it yet it's not too late for you this is just a hiccup in the road all right let's move past it okay I I know it's inside you I know it's a turn on the inside you want to talk about it let's just get through it there's people Plum tomato said you're a good kid and then how shocked that they were that they saw you do that I'm not making this stuff up why would I have to make stuff up in order to talk to you I mean the case against you is very strong I'm trying to help you out right now now it's either you're going to help yourself out or you're not I'm trying to help you help yourself out but you got to be honest with us okay so tell us what happened from the beginning what happened today okay right right okay then what the idea is coming out at me yes point five months yeah what happened when you fired yours I I wasn't aiming at nobody I just fired it so they could recognize not fired how'd you fired did you go like this did you go like that how are we holding it I shot up okay how many times did you shoot just one just once all right now the most important part where'd you put the gun it's long ago where is it that's a big part of it Jamal your parents seem like very good parents the last thing I want to do is go to them one night and say that Jamal just got in a shooting and Jamal's dead you realize this is the life you're about to lead right I'm trying to stop that you've got to be honest with me where is that gun to give to one of the kids who left the apartment did you throw it somewhere well it's one of the two you still have it on you no right no no so I mean it's got to be one of those areas maybe you gave it to someone you threw it or you still have it on you we know it's not on you because listen that's it's where the gun is really not the end of the world just tell us where it is we can get it off the street somewhere doesn't get it's going to hurt with it okay who'd you give it to I don't know did you give to your boy that we already got you sure pause and I'm gonna do it so you're with your girlfriend sure you gave it to your girlfriend you want somebody else to get shot with that gun yeah you know there's got to be a reason why you're saying that how do you know so that means that you think that it's in a safe place to where a nobody's going to find it or B that person isn't going to do anything with it so that being said you need to know where the gun is Jamal look you're already in trouble anyway it's not like if we find the gun it's going to make it any different for you okay but what you can do is by telling us where the gun is is we can say that you are honest with us and you cooperate with us rather than us trying to do a Manhunt basically for where the gun is but being honest is the best way to be on everything as well all right you know we found the shell casing from the senior right you just told us you fired the gun she okay that's not none of mine okay what kind of gun did you use in you know what kind of gun it was come on did you ever revolve her too if you gotta be honest let's be honest with this I mean you already told us you fired the gun which we knew anyway listen don't be half truthful and do it do it all the way that way I can call your parents and say you're completely cooperative and honest with us because I know you care about that I can tell by looking at you when you're talking to your parents don't you why don't you tell us um what are you afraid of what are you afraid of by telling us where the gun is and I'll try to help you figure it out I don't know how much time on these are right now what does it have to do with you telling us where the gun is that might make it worse I'm telling you it's not it's gonna be the same charge no matter what biggest difference is I can put in the paperwork that you told us where the gun was and that you were honest about everything that occurred remember over at the scene what we talked about with trust well we're a small portion of your life okay you talk to Mom and Dad right your trust with Mom and Dad goes on right we'll be out of your life before you know it Mom and Dad will always be in your life right I'm down pretty upset about this whole ordeal right we talked about trust your parents have to trust you and we part of rebuilding that trust is you being honest I could take the best just to explain to you okay that trust goes a long way we talked to Mom and Dad and we tell Mom and Dad listen son made a mistake he did something foolish he had learned from it how do we know you learn from it because you're honest with us okay you're not a criminal are you are you perfect nobody in this room here is perfect right we've all made our mistakes we've all done foolish things okay the difference is people that learn from their mistakes usually going to lead good lives people that hide behind their mistakes continue to make those same mistakes right yeah I can tell by talking to Mom and Dad that you're a good kid with a good household all right people care about you that means you have an opportunity to go far even if you made a mistake don't hide behind foolishness now let's kind of figure out what's going on so you can move forward we don't want to live in this and just keep higher than having this hangover ads you understand that let's just kind of get this figured out so we can move on so we can all start kind of rebuilding Our Lives getting back to where we should be part of that is telling us where that gun is held someone in the room in the river where'd you throw it off the bridge tomorrow that's not rebuilding Trust that's hiding cell you're worried about getting somebody else in trouble okay what okay what's that I can't tell nobody else somebody else did somebody else really go to the river for you did you throw the gun on the river so then why do you say the guns in the river It's gotta be a bottom line answer to this and I keep dancing around if you want to be honest let's be honest he said the gun's in the river okay where location um you all got the footage what's that yeah I even got the footage put it your what me what do you mean footage it's not about Witnesses there's a lot of stuff Jamal like I said I just took you in there take photographs of your hands okay it shows what we call gunshot residue okay do you understand what that is you shoot a gun right what's gonna be all over your hands it's gonna be what we call gunshot residue okay the special lenses that she was using and everything helps her show what's there okay there's witnesses that saw you there fire okay also Witnesses saw you pull the gun so I mean there's no way getting out of this one way or another and you didn't go to The Rivers Mall you didn't have that kind of time long way the river does make a difference to people if they're gonna either be honest with us or lie to us what's his efforts you're not getting any street cred for that that doesn't make you a better person you know what that makes you look foolish because you can't be honest so like I said that goes back to trust you understand that what happens with that gun God forbid somebody else gets their hands on that gun your fingerprints are all over it somebody uses that gun and whatever it's gonna be and your prints are on it people are going to come and looking for you again if the police get involved if you thought about that was my girl no it doesn't matter your prince all over it you obviously held it and fired it did you not so then your fingerprints could be all over there going you gonna help us find the gun or are you just gonna kind of not say anything you're not going to say anything about the gun you at least gonna tell me what kind of gun it was I don't know you don't know other than you just shot it that's what you're going with myself and detective Krantz here sitting here trying to help you and the best you got is I don't know I just shot the gun that's as honest as you're going to be with both of us after we're sitting here trying to help you have you been in a lot of trouble okay you're still going you're still getting arrested we can't control that but there's a big difference in US writing in a report saying that you're honest with us or that we found it on our own I'm not trying to find you how would I not find it you choose not what one of the guys downstairs take it from you when you shot and you came down off the streets off here of ain't nobody finished he realized what you started today don't you those guys you shot at you know what's going to happen right what they're gonna come after you and your boys it's just a matter of time all right let's let's talk about this Ramon hmm the magazine that's underneath the bed with you yeah well I just tripped the mag it's good yeah why'd you leave the magazine and take the magazine with you when y'all ain't gonna find my fingerprints right now well then my possession magazine that you were laying next to underneath the bed wasn't yours I don't live at that house so why'd you go there foreign I guess you don't want to be honest with us a child not completely look I want to help you I truly do but if you can't be honest with us about it you know everything and there ain't a whole lot I can do for you and I even told your mom that I'd help you out any way I could as long as you were honest yeah I'm being honest I'm telling you the truth I don't know where to go okay would you give it to tell me the truth on that to play this game huh okay you know who you gave it to well I definitely know you knew what kind of gun it was let's start there you knew he had a 38 revolver so what did you have huh you're gonna pick your head up for me please sit up you're a big boy right let's act like one for a second what kind of gun did you have oh she's both had 38 revolvers he didn't have a gun did he so what did he have then get it back he what he never got it back what do you mean he never got it back you took it from he was trying to shoot me to respect why didn't you tell us to begin with yeah back up come on talk to us immediately reached for my snatched today they all started running towards me so I took it took the cut because I knew they had my gun I took the cut all the way to the top of the blue Apartments the fuel was going to know and they had one and I shot going back so you run to the top of the blue Apartments over to your buddy's house you run up on the balcony answer you take a shot back from all right so you're up there you took his gun from him so you got your gun and you got his gun I don't have no five minutes you took his gun see you you took his gun and you shouted him with his gun what'd you do with a gun after that do it back over there I wonder when they picked it up threw it back over where Jamal to where they was at would you throw it at him yeah come on make any sense now you're being foolish where'd you throw the gun they got it hey you know they have it because they went and picked it up how you know they went picked it up because when I ran it was running back I didn't read the one shot did you chase after him I went for I started to and then I just you know seeing one of them pick it up who you know those guys which one of them picked it up oh another one he's the one that picked it up are you sure so you stole the gun from Glizzy and then he got her back that's the story you want me to believe save the Nazis for somebody else that's not what happened was the maximum time I can get no clue I'm not a judge I can tell you this much we tell the judge that this kid's going down a path and we ask him to push it as hard as he can there's a good chance to judge listens to us so don't be against our side my suggestion is help us out because the judges can look at you and say the same thing somebody else gets their hands on that gun and you didn't have the opportunity you weren't smart enough you weren't willing to help us he is not going to be courteous to you I suggest you start telling us where that gun's at no it's not an answer don't shrug your shoulders at me okay you want to be a big boy act like a big boy come on Jamal you gotta tell us where the gun is quit wasting our time quit trying to think of another [ __ ] excuse to tell us just tell us where you put the gun I don't know where I put the gun Let Me Wait a second tomorrow pick it up all right it's irrelevant where the guns at okay the mere fact that we don't have the gun doesn't mean a whole lot okay we understand what happened already okay we're past all that the gun is insurmountable okay unless something bad happens with that gun and nothing bad gonna happen you can't get in the drainage cow just keep getting the drainage canal sewers is that where it is is that a yes or no don't play games pick your head up and act like a big boy which one is it in first let me see the first one where oh okay get your head back up please the first one you walk in and where you can see the blue Apartments from the road or from the ditch bro so you guys ran around the corner past the gas station how I went with me there say it again okay how it ain't got nothing he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time right by the tennis courts there is that what you're saying or basketball court I mean are you sure here's the roadway all right Plumbing whatever the name of the place is plum tomato is right over here here's that little ditch line canal runs right here all right you come back over this way back up to the road you pass in front of the convenience store show me where you dump the gun right there you push it through the grate is this a this is the convenience store right here right I'm sorry the convenience store would be right here technically this is the ditch this is the pool area okay so there's a great right here and that's where the gun's at are you being honest with me right now I I can't hear you you can talk to me I'm talking to you you can talk to me like a big person okay yeah so you dump the gun in there what type of gun is it does it have a cylinder does that have a slide it was a revolver sure the magazine they caught you with is does not go to this gun no no so where did that come from I don't live in the house is that from Howard no I don't know let me ask you something okay somebody because I think the mom had a license for I don't know you take the gun from over here right from Plum Tree or Plum tomato you run all the way back over to here and you shoot from over here how does the gun get back over to here after you pull the trigger from over here you run all the way back to here no I was in the front right here you shot the gun from the balcony yes he's confused on where you're saying you're at here's the back apartment here's the balcony okay you understand that so you're over here and you shoot that way right the Great is there how do you get from here to back to here hold up all right you got me confused what I'm talking about right here and then it's a pool right here you ditch over here right one right there yeah there's also one coming right here that's the one where it's at they're all confusing me all right I'm gonna help you out here okay here's the center of the apartment complex right it's all hauling out so you got like a gap in between both sets of Apartments here's the community pool over here right behind the community pool is the tennis courts right Euro will be here on this balcony you shoot in this direction right up in the air you're not trying to hit anybody you come down from the balcony yes you come back over this way and there's a grade here is that what you're telling me so it's in the community is the grade is it by the blue Apartments is what he's asking do you pass the pool yeah do you go back towards the store all right all right yeah so you're like right here this is this is the entrance way yeah here's the interest of the community you can come in off of 14th Avenue and then you pull in this would actually be the most people come around this way and come through this way right so you're saying there's a drainage right here somewhere in there this is this is where my friends that's not where you were found that's the one where you shot from shot from I went this way or I can't do this on the paper but when I shot I went this way you shot this way towards Plum Tree or Plum tomato why would I go this way I'm asking you this way to the one over here here by where I was at here's the apartment you were found in yep okay around a coin so you go around the corner towards the main entrance of the community and you're saying there's a drainage grade over here here's the cemetery the cemetery is kind of up over in this area you know what I'm talking about can you see the cemetery and over here there's some homes there's like a fence line that runs right here you saying there's a drainage grid right there yes yeah and that's where you drop it yeah are you sure yeah look at me for a second is that where the gun goes yeah are you lying to me right now sure you're putting the grate not the dumpster so if we send someone over there that great if there is a great in that General vicinity you're telling me that's where the gun's gonna be located can anybody else go and get it I don't know it's not a trick question they shouldn't be able to how big was the gun if I have to get charged with the guns right your charge does not change right and we're not lying about that the charge is the charge what is the charge aggravated assault right you fired a gun add somebody or at least in a general direction okay that's what it is it's not gonna change I don't believe you want to kill anybody right you don't want to kill them do you you want to scare them I believe that you sure it's in the Great yeah that's the way it should be here no no no if you put it there then that's 100 where it is yeah which one is it it should be where it is that means it's not there did anybody know to go pick it up for you you had a phone with you didn't you did you tell someone to go pick it up you know we can find that out if you did I'm just being straightforward with you I mean I'm being as honest with you as I can right now I know you put the gun you push it between the uh the slots and the grate ful the great the greatest Flack correct do you push it between the slots I did or it didn't it did how big was a revolver snub nose when did you put it there right out there so you fired from here and you run all the way past your buddy's apartment that you guys go into around the corner of the building and you put it in the grade then what do you do come back you come back to here yeah whose apartment is that um how do you know her what she look like well I know a mom what's your mom's name something called you okay you already got it I know I know but you would that's the apartment you went to yeah she didn't know I was here okay what were you wearing tonight today I mean because we know you change clothes too okay what about the other clothes we found in the apartment oh yeah I was with a girl you know those white pants on yeah today you had them on before yeah okay what about that white shirt do you wear a white shirt today floral shirt yeah so the white pants and a floral shirt right yeah is that true yeah which phone was yours was it one that was kind of cracked a little bit is yours fixed that's correctly it's the white iPhone 6. okay I'm done you serious all right someone else I want to talk to you about all right we know a lot of stuff and I'm gonna give you an opportunity to help yourself out a little more okay try to provide us some information as far as why this happened I know one group is a different group than your group and you want to you kind of tell me a little bit about that group they working with the police they ain't working with the police thank God what's your your part of the youth Paper Soldiers right no a young Paper Soldier or something like that okay check my Facebook check my dick I ain't never couldn't I didn't say it's a gang I said a group you guys could be making music ain't no grouping nobody sure about that positive so what you're saying is you don't know nothing about nothing I just I just got into this institute that's gotta be a reason why you guys got an argument with them sure yeah translated seven six three two don't call your mom and dad tell them what I figured you just want to talk to him I care about you a lot man I know you don't want to tell me about what's really going on I'm okay with that but the bottom line is is you keep hanging out with these guys you can get yourself in even more trouble if not even killed I don't know it ain't a cool Life to Live man it's not as nice as you think it is you know how tough it is to go to parents tell them that their kid was shot and killed because part of a member or a group that they shouldn't be or even just you're hanging out with people that are part of a group that you shouldn't be 760 unit the DB this good one should be there somewhere seven four anybody in the DB all right hang on but how about tea I just had rain and he was at the wrong place at the wrong time he didn't know what was going on you sure pause so we call up here sure you want to tell me anything about people you're hanging around oh yeah doesn't have to go any further than you and me you're afraid to tell me I'm gonna tell those people doing this you afraid tell me can I do a new DB okay meet me over at interview room one I still get why you won't tell me about it come on I need something I'm about it what does it look like with me what does it look like I'll tell you my name is but I know a lot about you that your mom and dad don't know that's why I'm trying to help you out here come on I get a lot of friends who work a lot of things and uh you and your boys are kind of a Hot Topic right now now you're having a fight with the Army gang however you want to call them whatever they call themselves the 300 bang 300 club or whatever either way you guys Gotta Fight Man and it's not going to end well I'm not I know you don't take the soldiers okay maybe you're not okay I got nothing to do you hang around the same people at all right nope nobody has nyps you sure about that positive it's not what I was told when she was told I'm telling you the truth I hope you're right who said you're not already asked me I've been through this already called me up accusing me of being an army game to check my background check my Facebook check everything along I don't I'm not in no type of game no type of what do I look like losing my life over a flag or a color are you getting a shooting for a reason I don't buy the whole story I'll be honest with you you know I know you don't believe me I really am trying to help you out and I'm getting very frustrated look I'm just trying to make sure nobody gets hurt everybody how do you know you guys just got in a fight today or you had to pull out a gun you don't think that's somebody gonna get hurt no I'm not sure about that how do you know okay well I'm Gonna Leave You be then if you want to talk to me more I'll be more than happy to talk to you but I'm not gonna sit here and bang my head up against the table all day for you what are they going to take me to get arrested until huh let me tell you come on