Y'all got body cameras rolling? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh like she just finished explaining to you, we just got a call, right? You know, so whenever we get a call, you know, you're matching description, we just, you know, come say what's up, right? Make sure you're good. You know what I mean? >> But listen, I I want to have a a lower level conversation real quick. >> This is this is my hypothetical question. Why is it that when officers are called to the scene, >> even if it's not a crime like what I'm doing right now, >> why is it that when you engage with a member of the public, when the member of the public state their rights and if I state penal code, if I state case law, why is it that police officers never think, hm, is he a police officer? It's almost like you guys be like, he's not a lawyer, he's not a police officer, whatever he's saying. Why Why is it that type of like posture? >> Yeah. No, I mean we listen to people, right? It's a part of our job, you know, every single day. Uh when people are right, people are right. I tell them like, "Hey, you're right." You know what I mean? >> Okay. Now, watch this. Is this is this a consensual encounter? >> No, it's not. >> Okay. >> Just because it's a call for service, >> right? Because it's a call for service. >> Yeah. >> But when it's a call for service, you guys are here to enforce law. >> Not necessarily. >> Then what else would you enforce? >> Uh so like reasonable suspicion, right? >> What's reasonable? >> That's that's articulable reason. >> What a reasonable person would believe. You know what I Is that a penal code reason? >> It's in the penal code. >> It says our typical suspicion that a crime is being committed or about to be committed. >> I don't know the definition textbook top off top of my head, right? But reasonable suspicion, probable cause, they're all different levels, >> right? >> But like I said, call for service usually just reasonable suspicion. You know what I mean? It's not probable cause, right? Probable cause. >> So there's no problem ID, >> but that's not what she's saying. We're still here because she's saying I have to ID. >> Oh, well that's her call, right? Officer She's officer. But you still have a duty to to correct any erroneous mistakes. >> Yeah. >> So, right. So, >> I don't I don't see any mistakes going on here. >> You just said I don't have the ID. I just told you she said I have to. Now you say you don't see a mistake. >> Well, that's her call. Maybe she sees something that I don't. >> I don't know what to call you. >> Yeah. How you doing? >> You're going to be good if we leave. >> Yeah. >> Look, I like I mentioned before, you're not committing a crime, right? And you're obviously aware of that, right? You obviously got concerned citizens. >> You're recording, right? >> Well, no, you're nice. But my thing is this. when a member of the public engages with law enforcement, we should be able to give our understanding also in such a way to you guys shouldn't be in a hurry to leave because if this was a real investigation when I was break if I was breaking the law, >> you guys would take your time to detail a police report uh what they call them uh uh uh witnesses. You guys would take your time to get a full report. >> Sometimes our hands are limited, right? Like I mentioned earlier, which is a concerned citizen, so we don't have any information to go based on. I know that, but I'm saying like since you don't have that, >> we we don't have So that's the call came out. >> I'm matching your description. You're obviously holding a camera recording. So that's all we have. That's all we have to work on right now. So that's my that's why I'm making contact with you right now. >> But for future reference, I I just want you to know that that is not enough to ID someone. >> And I think you know that I think you probably got to update it. No, >> it it just it makes it it makes it easier, right? And like I mentioned, you're not in any trouble like you had mentioned. >> Um I'm trying to make contact with you. And at the end of the day, I'm doing my job. >> No, you are. But see, part of your job is to enforce accurate law. If you're misinterpreting the law, now you're violating someone's rights unknowingly. You can do it knowingly or unknowingly like this gentleman. >> When you went into the car, he said, I did not have the ID. That's counterproductive to what you said. So then when I told the gentleman, well, tell her that. And then he said, well, it's not my stop. See, now we have a we have a difference of understanding here. We got two law officers saying two different things. That is a problem. You should be on the same page. And then he said he doesn't know the the exact penal code verbage, articulable suspicions. That's another bad thing because you have to know that to make a proper investigation or proper arrest. >> I know it's none of my business. I don't know if you mind me asking. Are you prior law enforcement or are you just something that you just studied? Like >> I'm definitely uh I've been in government. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I've been in government, you know, and so >> so look I like I mentioned you're not you're not in any trouble and you're not you haven't committed a crime, right? Like I have mentioned before. >> If you're going to be good to >> That's not good enough. Oh, the thing is that >> because you gave misinformation. >> You said I did not have the ID. Did you say that? >> And then when I say well tell her that there's no proper cause. >> So then why did you say I have the idea? >> Well, because there wasn't a counter. >> It just make it easy. It's not the that's not a legitimate circumstance. I want to know the right answer. So I'm trying to get you guys to get on the same page. That's what I'm trying to do. I want to know why did you say I don't have the ID and why are you saying I do have ID? >> I did get dispatched. He didn't get dispatched. >> Doesn't matter. He's law enforcement. Well, yeah, but what I'm saying is he just did probably just get a robot. I'm pretty sure he didn't get to I have a call like I have an actual >> I mean there's always an officer in charge for any any situation, but that doesn't mean you didn't know what's going on, right? >> So, like I mentioned, I did get a call. I have a a call was created for me to be contacted. This isn't like I mentioned, I just didn't drive up here and >> I was on the other side of town when this call came. >> Right. >> Right. So, all I'm all I'm saying is >> Okay, let me ask you this. If I would have gave you my ID, would you have ran my name? >> Ran it. >> Would you have ran it in? >> No, I would have logged it in just that I made contact with you. >> So, you wouldn't have ran it for on warrants? >> No, there's a difference. I can log it in that I made contact with you and obviously you haven't committed a crime and running it through the NCIC TCI which you had mentioned is totally different. I wouldn't have done that. >> Now, let me ask you this. How would a member of the public know when you're going to make that discretionary decision? >> Ask you just like you did right now. >> Well, you could have probably heard. >> I've done it before. I've done it before and I know and that's the bad thing about law enforcement encounter. You know, when a member of the public says something that happened in the past, law enforcement says, "Well, that's a different situation." But >> but when you guys encounter us and you say, "Well, you could be doing this, you could be doing that." Then we can say, "Well, that's a different situation." >> So, it goes both ways, you know, >> right? >> Yeah. Every every situation is different. Unfortunately, we're here because >> like I mentioned before, the call, the call that I received, right? Um and that that's basically it. Like I mentioned, you're not in any trouble or anything like that. >> You guys got cards? >> Yeah. Yeah, you can write the uh the CAT number on there. This call for service number on there for me. >> You want the cat number? >> Yeah. >> So, >> you don't want to say you don't So, are you the kind of public official that don't correct their officers when they're wrong? >> I don't know if she's right or wrong. >> You don't know penal code? >> I do. >> What's penal code for ID? >> Penal code for ID? >> Yeah. >> That doesn't really make any sense. >> What is the penal code for when a member of the public is required to identify themselves? when they're suspected of committing a crime. >> Right. >> Am I suspected of committing a crime? >> So, >> like I said, we got reasonable suspicion, we got calls, we got mirror suspicion. >> All that is separate, though. >> Yeah. Yeah. But you you're you're rambling on about all these different laws. >> I'm rambling. >> Yeah. You keep throwing different names. >> Isn't that what you guys use to articulate an arrest or a citation? You use pen code, right? >> So, when when a member >> citation code for citation, >> right? So, when a member of the public brings up penal code, then they're rambling. Well, I mean, you you don't really stay on one topic. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. >> Because you guys have no reason to be here. So, I have to use subject matter examples to get you guys to understand. >> Well, it's like she just finished telling you, man. We like we do have a reason to be here just because of the call. >> Man, >> that doesn't mean we're, you know, telling you, hey, you're committing a crime or whatever, right? But it's just a concerned citizen, right? Our citizens are responsible. >> You're Daffy Doug. You need to you need to you need to touch up on your law and your fundamentals cuz you are a casualty to the city and you by the way you interpret things is is not good for law enforcement. >> It's not a case number I stretch that out. It's just a catar. >> It's an information you guys are hearing information call. Yes, I know. >> All right. Hey, and always remember every member of the public could be an FBI agent. They could be anybody. So, when you give inaccurate representations of the law, you're opening yourself up to situations and circumstances, and we don't want to do that because the taxpayers have nothing to do with it. Got it. >> Okay. Have a good day. >> You, too.