Is this your car? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was this close to breaking the window out. There's not that hot. >> It's 95°. It means it's over 100 inside the vehicle. Hey, does my boy have an ID or anything? Cuz he totally talked himself into this. >> All right. Do you want to drive? I want to supervisor. >> You don't get one. >> What? What? >> You don't get one? >> I know my rights, ma'am. >> You can call and make It's not one of your rides. >> One officer, two stops. Both times she didn't know the law and it cost her everything. June 28th, 2023. Crossroads, Texas. Is this your car? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was this close to breaking the window out. There's >> It's not that hot. >> It's 95°. It means it's over 100 inside the vehicle. >> It's not >> It's 95 degrees. >> If it is the AC, trust me, I love my driver. >> The car The car isn't running. >> I take it with you everywhere. >> Okay. I just need to see the driver's license. >> I don't have one with me. Do >> I have any ID with you? This is a criminal offense. Okay. >> What is a criminal offense >> for animal neglect and abuse? Yes. >> No. No, I do not abuse and neglect my injury. >> Okay. >> I need a supervisor. Okay. >> No. No. >> Driver's license. >> I need a supervisor, please. >> What? What is your driver's license? >> Please. I need a supervisor. >> I don't have one on duty right now. >> This Look, I respect officers. I have family that are officers, but I also respect constitution. >> So, go and crack your your windows and then close your door. >> I'm responding out to a call. Okay. >> And this is this is me resp. telling you you're a bad dog, a dog owner, or anything like that. I am here because I still have to do my job. I have to identify you now, okay? Cuz I'm out here for an office. >> No. >> Okay. All right. Okay. Well, I'll let you talk to the the supervisor when he gets out here. This is a private parking lot. I'm not going to ask you about your vehicle. My main concern is just the dog's okay. And then for documentation purposes, I do have to put your information in there, okay? I'm not saying you're going to jail. I'm not saying you're being issued a citation. I'm just trying to do my job because everything has to be notated that I made contact. Okay. And make sure that everything broken broken arrow. >> It's a going to be closer to 100° inside that vehicle. It's 95°. >> If I cut the windows, I know it's going to be 95° in there. I had freezing cold. >> Your car is not running. >> I know. I shut it off. I close the windows. Freezing cold air in there. Trust me, when I open the door and got in there, it was colder inside than it was outside. What what did you speak to me about? >> Well, she uh I guess got a call about my dog. >> Yes, sir. We did. >> I parked the car >> and I I had it freezing cold today. I literally got it sitting there. >> I got it freezing freezing cold. >> Okay. >> It's not sunny anymore. >> Okay. >> So, it's not, you know, radiating heat or anything like that. >> Okay. >> And I went inside. I've been in there for 15 minutes. I mean, what did I do wrong? >> Okay. So, when we get a call for service >> Uhhuh. >> Okay. And especially when we do contact somebody, we do need to identify person. >> Hang on. I'm not done. Let me finish speaking. Okay. >> Sure. >> Now, we don't know you had your car at subzero degrees earlier today. >> Sure. >> We have no idea. >> But somebody did call and say, "Hey, there's an animal left in the vehicle. >> It is hot outside." >> And the animal looks like it's in distress. >> Right. >> The sergeant finally shows up. And if you thought he was here to settle the agreement, you would be far from wrong. You >> came here, investigated stress. I don't know about that. You came here, investigated realize >> that's what's related to us. >> That's related to us. So when officer does contact someone, they're required, especially when we believe that there could be a criminal offense to identify. >> 82 03 I think it is. Uh you can ask for my identification. I don't have to get it unless I've been lawfully arrested. That's the only That's not true. >> Look it up. Look it up. That's all I'm asking. >> You're being lawfully detained because >> there is an animal in the vehicle. We got to call for service. >> The windows are down now. >> The windows are down now. >> I instructed you to put them down. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> No problem. >> You are lawfully. >> You are lawfully detained. >> And I do not have to show up. I cannot give you Please just look it up. I swear to God. >> Filled ID. >> Please just look it up. I know. Look it up. I'm telling you, >> you're going to make a big mistake. >> No, I'm not. >> I know this. >> Yes. A call came and that part is true and nobody's disputing it. But a phone call alone doesn't hand police the automatic legal right to demand somebody's ID on the spot. In fact, Texas, along with a handful of other states, is one that does not require a citizen to lawfully need to present their ID unless they have been arrested outside the context of a traffic stop. Plain as day, this wasn't an arrest, nor was it a traffic stop. >> I know this. >> So do I. How long you been doing law enforcement? >> Just look it up. Would it kill you to look it up? What's What's your name, sir? >> Gar. >> I'm sorry. >> Gar. >> Gar. Yeah. >> Okay. Gar. What's your last name? >> I don't have to give it to you. >> Okay. I prefer I don't call people by their first names. This is a respect name. Okay. >> Until I until I get to know them. >> This is what this country has become. This is what this You guys are like addicted to >> and you don't even know them. Okay. You know what? I'll stop. I'll look it up. Go first. I'm going to show you because you'd be very surprised. Identify. A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence, address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person. See that? And there it was the definition that would change the entire outcome of this case. But did it? How do you think this one will end for Gar? >> You didn't understand. This is I this says I can't give you a false. This is a different section. This is false. >> Listen to me. >> The other part of it is is that when you do that, the consequence is now have to impound your your dog. And we don't want to do that either. You said you love your dog. >> Yeah. And just like that, the exact thing this whole stop was supposed to be protecting the dog becomes the leverage being used against its owner. >> We can't leave the dog. >> You guys want a massive lawsuit on your hands and you got retaliation? We can't leave the dog car in the car by itself. >> Really? >> Yes, sir. >> You're going to I'm This is America. This is what you're doing to your citizen. Okay. All I did was go inside, grab some clothes. >> I'm not from army. This is unlawful. This This is our duty. We have to identify you. >> Show me the law. >> You just read it out loud. >> I know. And you're not understanding cuz I just realized. >> Before we go any further, I know almost 50% of you watching right now haven't subscribed yet. I'm not mad. I'm just noticing. So, go ahead, click that subscribe button and join us for the next case, too. Done. Great. Let's get back to the story. >> We understand it. We We do this day in and day out. >> Okay. Okay. We came and investigated, realized there was no crime. >> We don't know that. And now we have failure to identify. >> How are you going to what you're trying to do? >> I need the identification. And right now the dog is having to sit in the car even further. >> Yeah. Because you really don't care about the animal, do you? >> You will not identify the animal. >> I'm here to do my job. >> You're here to get my ID. That's all you want. >> I need your identification to complete this process. >> It's like cracked, you guys. >> It's required. >> No, it isn't. Where'd you freaking read 3802? Would you read it? This detention has now dragged on far longer than the original 911 call ever justified. And neither officer is willing to back down to actually recheck the law in front of G. >> I've read it. I I read it. I studied it. I tested over it. >> Right. But you're you're interpreting it improperly. >> All right. >> And you guys really I I implore you. Stand right there. Sure. So we can't do that. But this is so here's and you know we know he's that's what he's doing. >> Mhm. What if that trip would have been that to Mickey McB. But whatever. >> I agree. >> I agree. However, this is where we're at. >> In the end, G walks away from this interaction exactly the way he said he would from the start, and that's usually where a story like this would end. It didn't. Beard filed a formal complaint. Chief Short admitted in writing his officers misapplied the law, then turned around and blamed Beard for not cooperating with a demand they just admitted. Beard sent a demand letter to the city for $75,000. The city refused, so he filed a federal lawsuit. The case against the town of Crossroads remains active. So in March of 2025, he filed a lawsuit against Hbert and Tyler, who were named individually. In May of 2025, those claims against the officers were dismissed with prejudice. However, the case against the town of Crossroads remains active at the time of this reporting. The fallout from that first encounter was far from over. But on another day, the same officer became involved in a very different confrontation. One that would leave the department facing a decision it could no longer avoid. You're still watching but not subscribed to the channel? Hit that subscribe button to be sure not to miss the next one. Awesome. Let's get back to the story. >> Man, you're slacking. >> Yeah. >> Just just uh just keep people safe, man. That's all we're appreciate. >> Sure. The 20th of September, 2024. Crossroads, Texas. Same officer, different call. Hbert and another officer are assigned to direct traffic for a Texas Department of Transportation lane closure. What didn't happen was just as important as what did. >> Yeah. Here goes the truck back there. You're just going to need to swing around. >> I don't know how that truck's going to be able to do it. And they're not even supposed to be on here, right? >> Oh, yeah. Eight. Uhuh. No. Back it up. Back it up. Back it up. Uhuh. Back it up. >> Back it up. >> Stop taking me serious right now. >> Back it up now before right now before you impede traffic. >> Back it up. >> Back it up. Hurry up before you block the stand lane. >> OKAY. >> BACK IT UP. >> Back it up. >> Turn around, right? >> No, you're not. You're going to back up right now. All right. Give me your driver's license. >> Let me see your driver's license. Driver's license. >> Give me your driver's license. >> Fortunately, I couldn't put you on a traffic stop. Two officers remained inside their vehicles instead of standing in the roadway directing the traffic they were assigned to manage. A simple conversation could have easily cleared up the confusion, but as you can already see, this situation is becoming anything but simple. >> Driver's license. >> Yeah. Yeah. For impeding traffic. ABSOLUTELY. >> HOW ABOUT TRAFFIC? EVERYBODY. NO. NO. We turn on our driver's license now. >> Everybody said turn around. We Everybody turn >> driver's license. >> Everybody turn around. >> Driver's license. >> No. >> Yep. Now you need to provide your driver's license. >> Nope. >> Everybody turn around. >> You know, these trucks aren't even supposed to be here. You see the sign right there? Okay, this this is not my car truck, bro. >> Go ahead and send me a cover. >> Hey, go to provide your driver's license. This is now a traffic stop. >> Well, I'm still trying TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. I'm saying the wrong side of the lane and I told you to back it up. >> I'm saying you see my emergency light. >> I'm trying to ask you a question. >> YOU NEED TO BE QUIET. YOU SEE MY EMERGENCY LIGHTS? This lane is shut down. Give me your driver's license now. You're going to be placed under you right here. You got this man. Kaiuban. >> Kaiuban supervisor out here. >> Was the driver actually in the wrong here? It appears he pulled up to ask the officers a question rather than impede traffic, though he also could have gotten out of the truck to do that. Regardless, before the conversation could go anywhere, officer Hbert had already called it in as a traffic stop. Now it's your turn to weigh in. Was the officer justified in escalating the encounter, or should it have remained a simple conversation? >> How long? I'm not getting my wife. >> Be the tank right now. BEHIND YOUR BACK. >> WOW. WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. HEY, MAN. HEY, come on. Come on, dog. >> No, you're the type. You're about to think of resisting is what you're going to do. >> Quit moving. >> Hold on. Turn around. >> Chipping me up. >> Turn around. >> This is crazy up. >> I want wait. Grandma, show this video where everybody's turn around. Right in the middle of the lane. >> HEY, YOU GOT HEY, HEY, GRAB HEY, GRAB MY PHONE, BRO. ALL RIGHT, GIVE ME my phone. Hey, you go have a sit IN THE CAR NOW. >> MY PHONE. WHY ARE YOU TAKING MY stuff for? >> You are detained right now. >> What are you taking my stuff for? >> Go sit IN THE CAR. >> I'M NOT ARRESTED. >> You're detained right now. You might be UNDER ARREST. >> WHAT AM I ON THE ARREST FOR? >> You're detained. >> What am I detained for? Caru vag. >> Under Texas Transportation Code 545.363 minimum speed regulations. It states that a driver may not operate a vehicle so slowly that it impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic unless the reduced speed is necessary for safety or required by law. Here, Jones, the driver, was trying to get around the unclear lane closure and stopped because Officer Hullbert told him to. He even backed up as no other cars were behind him. >> Why you put me in the car for that? >> Come on. Time to stay in the car. >> But why are YOU PUTTING ME IN THE CAR FOR IT, THOUGH? >> Sit down, man. >> You are detained right now, >> MA'AM. WHY AM I DETAINED FOR WHAT? >> JUST SIT BACK. >> COME ON. NO, NO, NO. YOU NO. Am I arrested? >> Under one ground. >> Give me my rights. >> You are under right now. FOR FAILURE TO ID NOW. Now resisting. >> Okay. Resist. You want to look resting just sit in the car. >> I want one here. No, GIVE ME A SUIT. I ASKED FOR A SUPERVISOR. >> Give me a supervisor. >> You'll have to wait till he gets here. >> Okay, COOL. GIVE ME ONE HERE. LOOK. LOOK AT THE CARS HERE. SHE WANT TO REST ME FOR THIS. >> Come on now. Where's it at? >> Sub come, bro. >> You don't have to ask her. I'm not for I don't >> No, man. No. >> Here. Get your >> Give me a suit. >> The backup officer is not even from the crossroads department at all. He's from a neighboring jurisdiction who happened to be closest to respond. That soon becomes a genuinely awkward detail. >> Well, they're cutting down this tree. So, he comes over around here to go around us and I had all this shut down. Obviously, we're shut down. So, I told him to back it up and he's refusing. I was like, "No, I'm the goat." And said, "No." Okay. So, finally got to back up. Then he hops out of the car at me like, "Where's your ID?" So, now a traffic stop. No, I don't got to give you out with his phone recording. >> So, I don't have an ID on there or nothing yet. >> Yeah. He told me >> if you have a you have if he doesn't want does he he doesn't want to do himself. >> Nope. >> You have interfering with public duties. >> So that's what we use now cuz they made it a class C. >> That's what we use. They fail. >> Something worth noting in the exchange amongst the officers. Rather than starting from a clear predetermined violation, they are discussing what they can actually charge Jones with. Not necessarily unusual for policing, but it becomes important later. Texas law 38.15. Interference with public duties is a person who commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law. >> Hey, does some boy have an ID or anything? Cuz he totally talked himself into this. >> I don't know. >> You don't think he's got a wallet in there? >> I That's what I'm saying. I don't >> Do you know him? Somebody >> I know him. That's my uncle. >> That's my girlfriend's uncle. >> Your girlfriend's uncle? >> Yeah. But I couldn't tell you. >> All he had to do was back up the truck. So at that point, it became interfering with with our duties. During a traffic stop, you have you're required to provide your driver's license. Okay? >> And he did not do so. >> Okay. >> Then he resisted me the whole time. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Does he have a wallet inside there? >> I don't know. >> Can you look? And you can have his phone back, too. >> I don't see no wallet. >> Okay. So, that sounds like it doesn't have a driver's license. >> Uh speed. Yeah, it's one of the two. I think it's a G. But yeah, that's cuz the jail wasn't taken to class C anymore. >> So, what is that just a citation too for failure to provide driver's license? >> Uh fail to display. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All he had to do is >> once I heard it, I was like, "Okay, we need to start picking it up." Cuz I could hear yelling and I was like, "Okay." But we couldn't tell. All we could hear was that. >> No. I had to wrestle him into cuffs and then he wanted to turn around on me the whole time and and refused to get in and sat on the car. >> Under Texas Transportation Code 521.025 and Texas Penal Code 38.02, the detained driver was legally required to display his driver's license or provide identifying information. When he refused, Officer Hbert could take reasonable steps to confirm his identity, including asking his nephew for those details. Although the nephew was not legally required to search for or surrender his uncle's wallet, he voluntarily tried to help. Even then, officer Halbert came up empty. >> All right. You want to try this? You want to try this? I want to supervisor. >> You don't get one. What? >> You don't get one? >> I know my rights, ma'am. >> You can call and make It's not one of your rights. You do have rights. You can call. >> I do have talked about getting rights. Huh? How? How? >> So, you can you are you a cop right now? I don't know. Who's arresting me then? >> Me. >> Okay. Are you on off? on you on duty right now? >> Yes, I am. >> Okay, you have a supervisor. >> He's not here right now. >> Well, give him one here. >> Get him here. >> You're not going to give me a name? >> Hey, excuse me, sir. I know my rights. What's your name and badge? >> Officer Joiner. >> Okay. What What's your name? Officer Joiner. Who am I being arrested by here? >> Right here. You're being arrested by the >> What city is this? >> The Crossroads Police Department. >> Okay. Okay. Crossroads Police Department. They have a supervisor, right? >> But he is not here right now. >> Well, get him here. Somebody get here. I I CAN SEE IT TILL he get here. >> Just like we don't have supervisor on right now. >> Okay. When would it be here? >> I I don't You have to talk to them. I don't know the I'm from a different city. I'm from all over. >> Well, why you here then? >> Because she called for a cover and I was the closest one to come. >> What you got here? I need another copy then. >> So, >> I need a supervisor. >> When Jones insisted that having a supervisor present was his right, officer Hullbert told him it was not. The distinction matters. Jones was free to request a supervisor. But Texas law does not entitle him to have one respond or require Officer Hullberg to pause the detention until one arrives. >> Okay, cool. Well, this dude's he's in the backseat of my car resisting with me. Um, he interfered with my duties as I'm trying to shut down this lane. He tried to go around me in his rental truck, then refused to back up, and he finally backed up, then refused. I tried to check out on the traffic, stop with him, then refused to provide his driver's license. And he resisted me the entire time. So, but he wants to talk to you. He's adamant about talking to you. So, I'm I'm at this trap just north of uh 424. >> Hey, my sergeant should be here in about 10 to 15 minutes. All right, you can talk to him. Hey, I know Chris might see a hot truck without no AC on. >> Let me make sure it's prank for you. Pick it up. >> Okay, so officer Hbert tells me that you guys had that encounter on a traffic stop. You tell me what happened. >> I've been arrested, detained right now. Now, what's my charge now? I've been arrested under detain. Which one was going on? >> Well, she told you you're under arrest right now. So, I'm trying to figure out story. >> What am I arrested for? She's told me that just um interfering and then resisting. >> Interfering, resisting. >> I wasn't there. I'm I'm I'm trying to figure out what's going on. I was there. >> I'm like like come on. You're not going to bully me now. Okay. Issue. We're on two lane road. >> Okay. >> One, I always work with text dots. So I know the road is not closed. One, you got cones. That means go around. It's not saying the road is closed, right? Then one, I can't turn. I'mma turn around. Then two, all the all the cars are turn around, but I'm not capable to turn around. So I'm like, "Okay, man. We put up on starter here. I mean, one, nobody's out there directing traffic. I don't know where they at. >> Well, they were they were out there directing traffic. >> Where they at, though? No, no, no, no, no, no. They Where was they at? Where were they at? >> I wasn't out there. So, but I'm telling you what she told they out there directing traffic. >> Ask her where she at directing traffic. Where was she at? She's not at the directing traffic. Nobody. Cuz know how I know everybody that's in that line didn't you turned around. >> Okay. >> So, nobody's at the direct traffic. I got to be over there. Nobody's at the I don't know where they at. Back up. Back up. I'm Okay, cool. But where am I going though? I mean, I'm just sitting here. What's going on? Oh, WE BACKING UP. OH, AT THE point I mean, I can't get the whole story. Just not at that point. It's >> I'm on side of her and she can keep trying to back up. >> Okay, >> cool. Okay. >> Notice how much calmer this whole conversation is compared to the earlier confrontation. Once Jones is actually talking to someone with real authority to review the situation, he lays out his reasoning clearly and specifically without any of the shouting he previously experienced with Officer Hbert. >> But what are we doing out there? What's going on? I mean, this road shut down. What going around? At this point, she's like, "Give me an ID." I'm like, "For what? What I do now?" I'm backed up. Backed up. I got out the truck to come speak with her, try to figure out what's the issue is, what's going on? You know, what can I do here? Because me backing up, trying to turn around like everybody else is doing, obstructing traffic. I can't do that. I'm delivering front of this road. I'm going down this road. So, I can't just you turn around like everybody else is doing. >> Okay. So, what you're saying is you didn't did you did you see anybody directing traffic or what? Cuz you're saying >> nobody direct traffic. Nope. I in the truck. I work for text, bro. So, I know what's going to go just because you got cones out there. Jones keeps pushing on this exact detail because it's the one piece of the story that would actually settle who's right here. Was there really someone in the road giving directions or wasn't there? And Jones sticks firmly to his answer. >> Then again, this is wrong road. If this is shut down, where's a sign at the saying that this road is shut down? There's no sign out there. >> No sign. >> Okay, go. >> It might be temporary shut down. So, we don't have to put a put a sign out there when there's police officer. >> Okay, cool. But, okay. You used to purchase I was at there directing traffic. Right or wrong? >> They were out there directing traffic. My understanding. >> Yeah, sir. >> Where was it? When I'm trying Oh, I don't What was I being detained for? >> Well, so one, you weren't even You're being confrontational and failing to provide your ID. Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. And it was a traffic stop. >> Okay. >> You were confrontational from the get-go. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now, I had asked you multiple times to back up and you refused to back up and wanted to argue in the middle of the road. You were imputing traffic on both ends. >> How did my truck How did my truck get behind my computer? My emergency question. >> What you should know is waited. >> Okay. Just waited instead of trying to pass anyone that was unsafe. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> So now listen, if you would have just backed up that first time, I would have had a check out on the traffic stop, but I had to redirect my attention onto you from everything else. I was there for a safe feature for tech stop. All right? making sure no one else is getting hurt. But now you're putting the attention on you. >> All right. And that's why we are here now. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That framing from the sergeant is genuinely interesting because it doesn't fully dispute anything Jones has said. It just reframes the whole situation as an escalation problem rather than a clear-cut violation. >> Well, first, sir, I have the right to ask why. I my like I can tell I have I know my rights, ma'am. You just can't tell me, hey, give me an ID for the hell of it. I mean, what did I do wrong? Everybody asked, "Am I being arrested or detained here?" Cuz you just asked for my license for the hell of it. >> Why are you asking for it? >> So, what are we what are you even writing for? >> Huh? >> What are we writing for? >> I'm just um impeding traffic and failure to ID. >> In the end, officer Hullbert issued Jones tickets for impeding traffic and failure to identify. However, Chief Short later dismissed those tickets and released Jones from custody at the police station. On September 23rd, 2024, Crossroads Police Chief Shawn Short asked a fellow officer to perform a formal investigation into Officer Hullbert, resulting in several policy violations. This wasn't her first issue with adhering to policy and what led to her ultimate termination from the Crossroads Police Department on June 17th, 2025. Based on public records, this termination did not impede her later being hired by North Richland Hills Police Department in July of this year. Let us know in the comments if an officer routinely violates the policy they are sworn to uphold, should they just lose their job or their full right to continue being an officer for good? And if you want more real body cam breakdowns like this backed by the law, hit subscribe because we've more coming your