Does anyone want to be forthcoming on what's going on? Cuz you got to see it from my perspective. What the did I just walk into? You're not very forthcoming with everything. >> I bet you asked the house, Dad. Who are you 30 years? >> We're trying to get a hold of. >> Okay, cool. Call. Pretty dark in here. Yeah, walk through. Can I get through? going on here. >> What is going on? >> Who's in charge? >> Cameras 127. I'll take a second here. >> Yeah, I'll definitely need 133 here. This is the alarm here. All right. Who's in charge? Looks like we have quite a bit of hazing. So, I'm going to ask again, who's in charge? >> Um, we can talk upstairs. >> No, we're going to talk right here. Who's in charge? >> Um, a couple of us are. I mean, I don't know. I don't Yeah. I don't have to tell you. >> Okay. Well, we need to find someone who's in charge cuz this is ridiculous. >> Hey, this stops here, guys. >> This is a police department. This stops here. Who's in charge? They're upstairs. How about we stop? We start cleaning this up. Everyone take their blindfolds off. >> You see anything over there? >> No, I mean just one dangerous fire code violation after this amount of beds, people sleeping in there. I don't know what's going on >> for sure. Yes. 142. I'll take you as well. >> Yeah. Couple different code violations. So, what's going on in here? >> I don't know. You're just blocking the door, so we can't see. >> Live here. >> How does nobody live here? >> Just hanging out. >> You tell me. >> No, you tell me. >> I don't know. >> You go to University of Iowa? >> Yeah. >> You do? What's your major? >> Business. >> Business. What's your name? >> Why your name is >> Jose. >> Jose. Jose, what's your last name? Why? >> Want to Who I'm talking to? >> I want to tell you that. >> H >> I don't want to tell you that. >> Okay. How old are you? >> 21. >> All right. ID. >> Yeah. You got an ID or anything to prove? >> I think it's fake. Huh? I >> think it's fake. You think it's fake? You think it's fake or you know it's fake. There's two different two different things there. Campus 142 won by deal number and Iowa. When you're ready Joseph real as it gets. It's as real as it gets. Scan, please. >> Is that going to go anywhere else? Launch room. That room. >> Did you say negative or I just want to see if you had to return? My bad. >> Clean record. Check it. >> Copy. Thank you. Are you still over in Riverdale or are you living at the house? >> I go to school here. What? >> That's my initial address. >> I know. Were you living you still living there or you travel? >> Iowa City. >> Okay. It's real. Yeah. You want to swim around here? Sure. I probably shouldn't touch anyone here. All right, Jose, can you uh step over here? >> Why? It's on these people here. You step over here. >> I'll step inside. >> Okay. There's anyone in here that needs medical attention? Is anyone here that is against their will? Is there anyone here who is not participating in this i.e. a leader. >> Is there anyone with any sort of physical injury? >> No. What's all over you guys? >> Just water. >> Just water. What's on that dude's tie? >> Not sure. >> You come here. >> Nope. You're going to stand right over there. >> Why? >> Cuz I'm telling it to. >> It's my house. It's your house. You're responsible for everything that happened today. So, okay. [ __ ] right there. Get up against the wall. Come over here. You're going to do the same thing. You're going to stand with your buddy over here. Milican, take these two. Ask them questions about what's going on on their arms. You guys are going to go step over there. So, are you responsible for the house? >> No. Okay. Who's the house dad? >> I just told you he works at call him. Go there. >> What was his name? >> Eric. I told you. >> Why are you asking me? >> Cuz it sounds like you're responsible for the house. No. >> Sounds like you have something some idea of what's going on. No, >> you're not very forthcoming with everything. >> How about you ask the house dead? Who are you 30 years? That's >> who we're trying to get a hold of. >> Okay, go call. >> Stay right there. >> Stay here. >> You guys got IDs on you? >> Yes, sir. >> Let's take a look at him. >> Stay back. I don't know what you do. Private >> property. I can stay here. >> Yeah, but right now we're investigating something that's going It's getting wet. There's nothing going on. >> Let's take sit right there for me. Does anyone want to be forthcoming on what's going on? Anyone? Cuz you got to see it from my perspective. What the did I just walk into? Celebration. >> No way. Celebration of what? >> Of life. >> Okay. Sweet. >> I got your guys IDs. So, just stay there. >> Yes, sir. Okay, you two come to the top of the stairs. Okay, you two. Reason I pulled you guys aside now. We're here for public safety at this point. What's on your arms? Where you guys going now? 127. Can I get you back down here? What's on your neck? I don't know. I can't see. >> It looks like blood. Is it a shinier or light? Is it blood? >> That's what I'm asking. >> Want to taste it? >> No. >> Okay. >> Do you see why we're here? Why we're asking questions? >> I don't know. They got the wrong guy. I was going to ask those guys questions and then he told them all to start heading out. >> What's up? >> I was going to ask those two guys questions but then they all started following out. >> They left. >> No, they I stopped him but he was >> misunderstood. >> Did you pull these guys out? >> No, they I went to go talk to those guys and then they started coming out. >> Why did we come out? >> So I said that I said they should come out. >> You said it. >> I did. So, you're in charge? >> I know. You said you're not in charge. >> Not in charge. I said they should go to their beds. >> And that's where they sleep, >> their their new liveins for the next semester in the spring. There's the house dad's here. >> Okay. >> So, house dad's here. Yep. >> So again, I'm ask >> Nothing. >> Yeah, we should be all right right now. The crowd is just trying to leave. >> No one was trying to leave. >> We're right here, dude. We're right here. Okay. >> You got your two IDs. Go check them. >> Go check them. >> I can check them right here if I wanted to. >> All right, let's hear it. >> Okay, cool. >> You got nothing. >> You got nothing. >> Okay. >> There's no fire here. There's no nothing. >> Well, that's what we're here for. >> You guys shirts off. That's it. >> Celebration, good wealth, radiance. Just let anyone be a cop nowadays. I guess >> sleep. There's a light you want to turn on. You want me to turn on? >> I don't care. >> Can't see the flashlight on this block here. Why are you over here? Why are you making things difficult? I'm talking >> 133 142 on two. Who have you have you talked to anybody? I I got >> talked to a few people. Um we're just trying to get it sorted out who's involved and who's kind of leading the thing. No one's really being forthcoming on on that. Excuse us. >> Sorry, sir. >> Sorry. >> We're going to take a few photos, guys. Okay. >> All right. I'm just going to take photos on the living. Excuse me. Is there a light in here? >> Yeah, it's on the left, I believe. I see it. Thank you. You need a light? >> No, I'm good. Yeah. 40 Yeah, just go slow with it. >> Yeah, they definitely did these windows. >> That's when I was walking up. I couldn't see that at all. >> Yeah. Pitch black. Pitch black. I didn't realize there were going to be lights on here. Just figure they didn't work. >> So, you don't know what was going on in there? >> No. >> Okay. What did you see in there? >> Bunch of guys. It's really about me. >> What were they doing? You got to ask the police officers. They saw it. Did they not? I don't. >> You saw it, too, right? >> No, I had my back turned to a police officer the entire time. I was never looking inside doing whatever. I was talking to this the police officer the entire time. >> Okay. So, you never stepped into the room? >> Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. I don't remember. It was a blur. >> Okay. So, like I said at the beginning, I'm trying to get your side of what happened. >> I'm telling you, last night answer last night when the officer asked for your ID, you gave him your ID, and you made a comment that it could be fake. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I did say that. >> That doesn't help instill honesty. >> It's it's a real ID. I mean, >> I understand. But you saying that >> brings your jokes aside. Jokes aside, it was it was all just jokes and >> I'm just >> It was nothing serious. I'm just >> You're just like on edge a little bit cuz there's you know, hey, this is might be a fake ID joking. Hey, >> right. >> It was a joke. >> I'm trying to get ground rules right now. >> Sure, that's fine. >> I'm trying to help you with your credibility. Okay. So, when you say I know I may have, may not have. I'm trying to get your side to know what you saw, what happened type thing. Okay. So, there's a time and place for joking around and >> I mean, I joke all the time, right? I just joked about him breaking my couch, you know what I mean? >> So, did you step into the room? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What did you see when you stepped into the room? Because obviously you saw something. >> It was a blur, man. >> It was a blur. >> Yeah. >> Don't know what was going on. I mean, you got 20 other people to question, don't you? >> Nah, I got a lot of people. >> Yeah, it's like I don't know if your guy, but >> Okay. So, why were you standing in the doorway? >> Just talking to the cops. >> Okay. When the officers asked you to step out of the doorway? >> I don't recall that. >> Okay. >> I don't remember that. >> Okay. There's >> Granted, it was like 2:30 in the morning after a night at the bars. I wasn't severely intoxicated, mind you, at all. Like, I wasn't like, but like 2:30 in the morning, you just got off the dogs with your buddies. I mean, >> it was midnight. >> Could have been I I don't remember. I honestly don't. I woke up at 8:30 this morning. Hung over. >> So, >> um, so the officer asked you to move. You said no. He asked you to move out of the way again. So you go in there and you said that you weren't going to move out of his way, but you'd step into the room with him. >> Why were you so adamant about stepping into the room? >> Oh, I don't know. >> Okay. >> It's me. Later on, he's talking to uh Palmer and Teddy, I believe, back by when you go down to the right um the room with all the beds and stuff like that, right? He was talking to those two, the same officer and you came over and stepped in front. >> Yeah. >> Why were you injecting yourself into that? >> He doesn't need to talk to them. >> Why not? >> What are they investigating? There's nothing going on. So they were trying to figure out what was going on in that room. >> They don't know. They just came downstairs when you guys did. >> Okay. >> I mean, no one knows what's going on. >> You're the investigators. Do some investigating. >> You know what I mean? >> You're asking. That's why I'm doing that. >> You're asking a whole bunch of 18, 19, 20 year olds about what's going on. These are scary. I don't know what's going on. No one knows what's going on. I don't even know what's going on. So, how do we find out what's going on if nobody >> Man, you got the wrong guy, though. >> Okay, that's why they're asking questions is because >> you didn't know and that's why they weren't asking you is cuz you said you didn't know what's going on. >> And so, they have to ask everybody else to figure out what's going on because you didn't know. >> Okay. >> Right. >> So, you interjecting yourself into that conversation, what good is that? >> They don't need to talk to the cops. I don't >> Why are you deciding who they need to talk to, though? >> I'm just saying they're my buddies. for my friends. >> Right. The police are doing an investigation >> about what? >> They're trying to figure out what's going on in that room. >> What What was going on in the room? What What have you heard? >> So, they're doing investigation. >> Yep. >> You don't dictate the investigation, right? That's for the police. That's for us to investigate, right? Yeah. I get that. >> Right. You understand that? >> Yeah. >> So, why are you dictating who the police can talk to and can't talk to? >> I'm just telling my buddies not to talk to them. That's it. >> Okay. So you're interfering with the police officer's >> Not at all. Not at all. >> He never said, "If you don't give away, you're getting arrested." He never said that once. >> He did tell you to step away. >> He told And then he said it again. I said, "I walked away." >> No, you didn't. >> Okay. >> So he asked you, >> I would like to end this conversation right now, please. >> I would like to have a word here. >> Okay. >> And if there's anything actually happening, you can call me again. But it's been a pleasure. Thanks, fellas. DPS coming over. >> Hazing is a crime in the state of Iowa. It is a criminal misdemeanor, but believe it or not, no one was charged with that crime. Jose's real name is Joseph Gaia. This is video of him when he was put in cuffs and arrested for interfering with the police investigation. His charges were dismissed. His defense argued that the University of Iowa police officers did not face force or threats that hindered the investigation. Jose was not a University of Iowa student, nor did he live in the fraternity house. The brothers of Alpha Deltafi lost their fraternity as it was suspended from the University of Iowa in February 2025. Reinstatement may come as early as July 1st, 2029. Tell us your thoughts in the comments on how you feel about hazing in 2026 and if authorities took the right steps to diffuse and investigate the situation.