On May 30th, a French tourist was arrested on an identity theft charge after he used someone else's credit card to purchase a train ticket. I have to disregard that. Standby on the west end. Copy. [Music] >> Thank you. Thank you. Hi sir. How are you? >> Good. My name's Officer Ford. What's your name? >> Ali. Oh, >> okay. Gotcha. Nice to meet you. Uh, hey, reason I'm here today is we got a call from Amtrak. Okay. Do you have your ticket with you? Your train ticket? >> Can I see your train ticket? You taking the Amtrak? >> Amtrak. >> Okay, perfect. That's your train ticket here? >> Okay, perfect. All right. And you bought this with your credit card >> or did you use cash? You use cash? >> Okay. >> Do you have a receipt? >> Receipt for it? >> Like a receipt? Like a thing that shows that you paid how much you paid? >> Yeah. It'll give you a receipt. >> Receipt. >> Receipt of payment. Yeah. Do you have any receipt for your purchase? >> No receipt. Okay. Well, so your name's uh Aliu. >> Okay. Gotcha. And where are you headed? >> You're going to Chicago? >> Okay. And you're taking the Amtrak to Chicago? >> Yeah. Okay. You know you could take the metro, right? >> I take the metro from coming here. >> Okay. Gotcha. Where do you Where are you from? I can tell your accent. from the Chicago. [Music] >> Okay. Do you live in Chicago? >> No. Okay. Where do you live? >> Sorry. Where from? France. Oh, >> the answer. Yeah. >> All right. You said you use cash to purchase this, correct? >> Okay, gotcha. Uh, well, so Amtrak called us because they said you use the credit card. >> So, you use the card. >> Amra is saying he used the credit card. >> And you don't have any receipts to prove that you paid with cash? >> What did you use? Did you go to the booth or a kiosk? here 3741 speak I take the >> okay did he give you the ticket >> or did the kiosk give you the ticket >> the kiosk gave you the ticket >> okay why did did you go to the kiosk first or second >> all right so the kiosk doesn't take cash you paid with a credit card. >> Card cuz the kiosk doesn't take cash. >> Where did you put cash in the machine? Cuz it doesn't take cash. >> Charlie 850. >> Huh? >> The I'm telling you right now, the machine doesn't take cash. I'm not into the game of lying. I don't care. Like, this is an Amtrak problem. So, give me the card that you use to put to purchase the ticket. >> 850. All right, you come show me where you pay your tax. Come here. Leave your stuff. Leave your stuff. Come show me where you get >> for vehicles that have made their own parking spaces. >> So the kios here, show me where you paid with cash. >> So you pay with cash? >> This is where you bought it. Can you say that my way unless it's on >> Okay. shitty property >> and you paid with the office. >> So you're lying. You're lying to me. You pay here, right? >> So this doesn't take cash. So what card did you use to buy the ticket? >> Pay for it. >> You pay with your phone. >> Show me on the machine where you pay with cash. [Music] You realize you're going to go to jail if you keep lying to me, right? >> That that doesn't matter to me, right? You're doing you're you're doing a transaction in the United States that you're claiming you're using cash, but you're not using cash because this machine does not take cash. It's card only. So, you lied to me about that. You're lying to me about a receipt because this machine automatically prints out a receipt. >> How did you pay cash on this machine? [Music] Do you want to confirm with him that you paid with him? >> No, I didn't pay. >> You didn't pay anything? >> You didn't pay anything. >> I didn't pay. >> Okay. So, how'd you pay? >> Cash. >> Cash to who? >> Machine doesn't take cash. >> It It takes cash. So, show me one more time where it takes cash. [Music] No, show me on the machine where you put your cash in. >> You're my hero. >> Do you see your line? You're lying. You didn't pay with cash. You paid with a card. But you have to pay with the card because this machine does not take cash. >> No. >> Do you have a travel card that you you're telling me? Are you loading a card with cash? >> No. Okay. So, how does this how does where's the travel ticket? Cuz this doesn't take your travel ticket. >> It's in your bag. >> No. I take it from office. >> Okay. Two seconds. Let's go back outside, grab your stuff. [Music] >> He come up here and do any transaction with you? >> So, he said, is this a guy that you How long have you been here? Maybe like 10 minutes ago. Was she? >> Who was the guy before? >> Nobody. It's me. >> So it's him all day. >> So he's been here all day. >> Saying he paid with a credit card. >> So online is saying you paid with a credit card on that machine isn't arriving in approximately 6 minutes. >> You can't pay with cash. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You're lying 267 Aurora is arriving in approximately 6 minutes. outside. >> How much cash do you have? >> I I don't have >> You don't have any cash? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we already we already identified that you can't pay cash with that machine. All right. So, you're lying. So, what did you use to pay with the machine? What >> do you mind if I look? >> Can I look? Go ahead. >> Sergeant Delgado called from Amtrak and they said that something else is wrong with this guy. He did his custom work. Came into the country with $38 and no luggage. [Music] >> Can you pass him along my phone number? >> Do you want it over there? >> Put that there. [Music] glasses. >> Do they want him locked up by any chance >> charger? You have a wallet on you? Colemaker believes that because of everything around [Music] [Music] your phone. >> Does it work? Uh, I do know the embossing. >> You don't know the passcode? >> Oh, you know, call 93 Robert. >> You have a wallet on you? >> You have a wallet or anything? >> So, if your phone doesn't work, how's your wallet in your phone? [Music] Okay. So, how how do you access your phone? Is your phone dead? Your phone works? >> Huh? [Music] >> Okay. So, does your phone work? >> Yeah. >> Could you show me you have an ID on your phone or what do you have on your phone? [Music] >> Okay. Okay. So, there's no cash in here, right? >> In here. No cash. There's no credit cards, right? We just searched nothing. Right. So, how did >> how much did you how much cash did you pay for the ticket? >> I took both from >> cash from and ticket. >> And how much was the ticket? >> This ticket. >> Huh? is this ticket. >> How much? >> Uh one >> how many dollars? >> Uh it's 15 >> $15. >> 15 >> to go to Chicago. >> Chicago. Yeah. Can you give me this number over there? 302 660 939. Do you need a repeat? >> And this doesn't work, right? >> This phone. >> It worked. >> Is it off? >> Can you turn it on? >> Are you Wait, can you turn it on? >> Does it work? off. >> Um, so it doesn't work. >> See, I it's it's on. I don't have your pocket. >> It's on. >> Yes. You mind if I look? >> Just go ahead. Face the window. Okay. [Music] Nothing in these. Go ahead. Put your hands on your head like this. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we they got a we got a like a [Music] >> Okay, go ahead. Take >> Will you take this jacket off? number. >> You can just put it here. Good. >> And then go ahead and face tomorrow again. Nothing in these pockets. Do you mind if I look? >> Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Put your hands up. is now ready. First step behind the water. [Music] All right. Nothing in those ones. All right. Mind taking this one off for me? You got a sweater on? Yeah. Yeah. Go take this jacket off if you would. Nothing in this one. It's just your windbreaker, huh? All right. You want to take it that one? You want Can you take that one off? Cuz this one. Anything in these pockets? No. Nothing. Mind if I look? All right. Just go ahead. Face wall. Yep. Thank you, buddy. Just a shirt underneath here. You got any shorts on or anything under here? >> Two pairs of pants. >> Okay. Does this pair of pants have pockets? [Music] the pockets. Got lots of clothes on. Nothing in that one. >> Perfect. You got shorts on here? >> You got pockets on the shorts? >> Okay, let's go down. Do you mind? Can I look? >> Lots of pockets. >> Those are short pockets. [Music] Okay. Anything else? Any other shorts or jackets or anything under the this jacket? Is there just a shirt? Oh, okay. Okay. Anything in your shoes? >> Nothing? >> No. Nothing in your shoes. You kick them off? >> Nothing. You mind if I look? [Music] >> Okay. [Music] So, how how did you pay with your phone? >> You can put your shoes on. Here it goes. Oh, any pockets on the inside like here? Any in this one or in this one? Any in this one? So, you said you're from France. So, this ticket doesn't have your name on it. Where's your name? [Music] [Laughter] No name. How are you going to ride the train? How How are you going to ride the train with no name? >> What are you going to do? 25. >> There's no name on the ticket. How are they going to let you board the train? >> It's for >> Yeah, but there's no name. >> So So >> can you explain this? >> Excuse me. I not not >> Huh? I not say >> you'll you'll not say >> yes. >> So no right name of passenger. >> Yeah. >> And there's no your name is IU. >> Uh yes it's >> there's no IU on here. >> So did you use your phone to pay? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Doesn't take Apple. >> Okay. So, where's the credit card you use? >> I have in the phone and uh I have cash. >> You don't have cash? You don't have any receipt? >> Yes, I with I receive for uh it's no >> the receipt is what? Uh, I'll pay ticket. Uh, and I'll I'll pay the receipt. No, >> no receipt. >> Yeah. >> And this printed off. This came from the kiosk. This ticket. >> Yes. >> It came from that kiosk. >> Yeah. >> With no name. [Music] with no name. That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. [Music] Okay. How many dollars do you have with you? None. >> So, you had exactly $15 to pay for the ticket. 10 or five. >> 10 and five. >> Okay. >> And you said the ticket cost 15. >> How much did the ticket cost? >> How How many dollars did the ticket cost? >> $5. >> 10 and five. Okay. So, did you pay $15 for the ticket? You pay $15, sir. Does a ticket uh you going to Chicago? >> You're going to Chicago? >> Does a ticket from here to Chicago cost $15? >> Uh, no. Plus, he has to take that metro. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Metro. >> And this is not a metro ticket. This is an Amtrak ticket. >> Okay. So, he what he's saying is >> it's going to cost a lot more money to get an Amtrak ticket than $15. No, I I going to Chicago. >> Okay. >> Amrak. And you pay $15 for the ticket? Yes or no? >> It doesn't cost $15. >> It doesn't cost $15. >> He just said it doesn't cost $15. [Music] >> You pay cash. That's impossible. The C k doesn't take cash. >> So, what card did you use? >> It only takes card. >> I have a card in my phone. >> You have a card in your phone? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you show me the card? >> Plug your phone in. >> You got to plug your phone in. It then you got a charger. [Music] >> Charger, right? [Music] [Music] not working. Okay. You want to try on inside? Maybe the outlet doesn't work. [Music] See if there's an outlet here. BNSF train number 1,265 is arriving in approximately 3 minutes. >> BNSF train number 1,26. >> Does your phone work in approximately 3 minutes? >> It's on. >> Yes, me too. Number three. >> Okay, we can wait. Yeah. >> Don't you want to charge it? >> Uhhuh. >> You go charge it. >> Nothing. So, your phone doesn't work? No. >> Is there anything in the phone here? >> Anything? >> No. BNSF train number 1,292 to Chicago Union Station is arriving in approximately 2 minutes. >> BNSF train number 1,292. >> Would you open it? Station is arriving in approximately 2 minutes. >> Okay. H. >> It's not making sense, man. It doesn't make sense. Do you want to stay here or back outside? >> Uh, I going to outside. >> You want to go outside? >> Yes. >> I don't know if you wanted to keep charging your phone. [Music] Okay. >> Okay. So, let me explain a couple of couple of things I found out. That's a receipt. >> This is the receipt. >> So, you don't have a ticket. >> So, that that is not a ticket. You wouldn't be allowed on the train with that. >> It's for It's for me. This >> Huh? >> This it's for me. >> What is >> No ticket? That's not the ticket. That's the receipt. I have a copy of the ticket and I have what it looks like. That's not it. So, you wouldn't have been allowed on the train. Okay, that's number one. Number two is you didn't use a you didn't use Apple Pay. You didn't use cash. You didn't do anything like this. You used a credit card that was in the name of a female. All right. I already have it. It's already all done. The only thing we're waiting for now is to see if I can take you to jail or not. And that's what I'm working on right now. >> No, I didn't pay with cash. >> You didn't pay with cash. Let's Let's stop the stop the act on the pay with cash. You didn't pay with cash. You paid with a credit card. I have the I have the number that matches your the receipt number. I have the number of the transaction from that from that thing from that kiosk to that that matches everything that you use a female credit card. >> No, you can you can say no. It doesn't matter. I can I have that information. >> I speak with with your office and I pay with cash. >> You didn't you didn't have it didn't happen. So it like you can keep keep going on the pay with pay with pay cash pay with cash pay with cash. I have the exact transaction from that matching your receipt. Okay. So it's not like it's Bernie, right? Credit card. >> Yeah, I got that. I just need a I need a zip code. >> Oh yeah, I got this. Right. So let me see. Where's your ticket? Give me your receipt. >> Let me show you exactly what it's likely if I were from the Starbucks. I'm I'm half where is it sir? Where's this transaction on here? >> Yeah, sure. >> Which What is this? >> This is this ticket. >> Well, no. You gave me the ticket. >> Yeah. >> That's an e ticket. Travel. >> Yeah, that's it. But it's not a receipt. >> He threw away the receipt cuz remember there's a ticket and then there's a receipt. Correct. >> That should have came up on that CK ticket. I just >> cuz I had the ticket in my car. >> So, what card did you pay with? >> You don't have a cup. I pay my phone. >> Your phone doesn't work. I match you with the car cuz you can't pay with cash. This is an e ticket. So it's electronic. You didn't pay with cash. >> You didn't pay with cash. >> 15. >> It's $29. It's not 15. You paid $29. Hey, what's going on? Yeah, I'm trying. >> No, Mike. Mike. >> All right. I'll see you later. All right. Bye. What is your ticket for today? Right. This is your ticket for today. >> You put in the name Ali. This that's your ticket. Right. Okay. >> Here's your transaction number three. EB4 AB E4 AE. You paid online $29 to a name of that. That's the female who owns this credit card. Yes, correct. I know it's weird, right? >> I pay with Apple Pay. >> You okay? It does. No, you can't pay on the machine with Apple Pay. These guys already told me that. That guy on the phone also told me that. So, you can't pay with Apple Pay, right? So, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now. >> Okay. So your phone will now be consider now be taken in in for a search warrant to figure out who other cards you have on your phone on your phone. >> Cuz if you're saying you're telling me you you paid with Apple Pay, I have enough to search your phone cuz you don't know anybody, right? Oh, wow. >> Cuz you don't know anybody in the United States, do you? >> See >> who? >> In New York. >> In New York. What's their name? >> Uh, family. >> What's the family name in New In New York? >> No, it's in Chicago. >> Okay. So, what's the family name in Chicago? >> Yes, I have any address. >> Huh? >> I have an address. >> You have an address? What's that address? Huh? >> Who lives there? >> Chicago. >> Yeah. >> Who like you say you know people in Chicago? >> Who are they to you? >> Standing on the sub A S A W A Sea. Junk. What? How do you spawn the first one? That's it. D5 [Music] >> Nora 814. [Music] You don't know anybody else? That's all you know in in Chicago? >> Who else? Like who else would you who else would know you? If I called them and said, "Hey, do you know Ali?" They'd be like, "Yeah, I know him." >> It's probably 360. >> Yeah. Just one, right? >> Yeah. >> Nobody else. >> I coming from Zutra. >> Huh? >> I coming from Zutra. >> Right. So, okay. So then where you were going to Gailsburg? Who do you know in Gailsburg? >> Gailsburg and turn around from Chicago. >> Why would you do that? >> Why wouldn't you just take the train from here to Chicago? >> It's a great way from chicken. >> Huh? >> I traveled from chicken. >> Yeah. You traveled from Michigan. You had to come into Chicago. >> Yeah. >> And then you came here. >> Yes. >> Why? >> I coming to Juliet. You're going to Joliet? I stay to Juliet. >> You stay in Joliet. Yeah. >> Where in Joliet? I'm transition from coming to Chicago and uh I not take I I take for coming to Chicago. Okay. So, you know this doesn't make sense, right? Like you you understand like you understand where I'm coming from, right? The reason I'm getting upset and that I'm getting a little bit riled up is because you keep lying to me. I don't like we're It's the lies are over, right? I know you paid with a card. I have the last four digits with the card. I have a name on the card that you paid for. Like the the lies is where I'm getting pissed off and that's why I'm getting angry and upset, right? I don't care about every anything that's going on right now cuz it's honestly not my problem. It's Amtrak's problem. This is not something I should be dealing with. This is something Amtrak should be dealing with. >> I'm talking. >> Huh? >> It's travel. It is travel, but it's fraudulent travel, right? You're not using your money to pay for the travel. >> No, it's my money. >> It's not your money. I already have the I have the credit card receipt that I just showed you that doesn't have your name on it. >> I travel from France coming from I >> Okay, but you didn't like We don't need to talk We don't need to be to talk about cash anymore cuz you went said you went from cash to Apple Pay. So, it's now you're lying from one to the other to the other to the other, right? >> Correct. Am I wrong? You told me cash. Now you're telling me Apple Pay. See? >> Right. So, you're lying, right? Cuz you didn't pay cash. You told me you paid $15. It's 29. You didn't pay 15. So, you don't even know how much money you're spending. >> I have a cash for pay one ticket from Chicago. >> Okay. But that's not what I'm telling you that is actually going on. I understand what you're telling me, but it's a lie. It's all a lie. It doesn't It doesn't make sense. None of it. Why would you leave Chicago to go to Gailsburg to go back to Chicago? >> Yes. >> Why? >> I need to say you want to you want to see Gailsburg. I'll tell you right now, there's nothing in Gailsburg. I bet I went to school down there. There's nothing in Gailsburg. It's a western town that has absolutely nothing. So that's why that you understand like none of this is making sense to me cuz none of it's coming together. It all just doesn't make sense. You went from Michigan to Chicago. Now you're leaving Chicago to try to go back to Chicago. Yes, I do to Chicago. So, but you're going west. You're going away from Chicago. This is away. Like the train that just left was the train you were supposed to be on. It went west. It didn't go towards Chicago. >> No, I Okay, but you weren't. You're going to Gailsburg. This is going to Gailsburg right here. Coach C2, Gailsburg, Illinois. Gailsburg is west. Chicago is east. I'm going to group from Chicago. >> Okay. Well, you're trying to go back to Chicago. Correct. >> Right. So, now you're traveling away from Chicago. You spent money to travel away from Chicago to try to go back to Chicago. You could have just bought a train ticket to Chicago from here. You get what I'm saying? >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, that doesn't make sense, right? >> Yes. I I think to >> it doesn't matter what train either train Amtrak or Metro will get you to Chicago. This is a major stop on the Amtrak and it'll get you to Chicago and you don't have to go to Gails. You see why I'm I'm putting together the facts that don't make sense, right? Cuz none of this makes sense. So go ahead. Turn around. Put your hands searching that way. >> Do a nice search at the PD thing somewhere. >> All right. Go to my car over here. >> Your car? >> Yeah. Go to my car. Okay. Everything is audio and video recorded in here. Go ahead.