possible yes or no I need I need that ultimatum or else I won't get my ID why why would I say that to you because I need that ultimatum because right now you're asking and I have the right to say no cuz you're asking you're not it's not a lawful order what are you arresting him for huh he hasn't violated really a crime are you investigating a crime or possible crime possibly he's instructing an officer from doing his duty right okay but I mean why do I have to answer questions I'm here for a legal reason New Mexico statute says that concealing of identity is a secondary charge I would have to have been arrested or suspected of a crime right now you hear just hear arrested or suspected you're being suspected of a having possession on what on what grounds okay so do you have any alcohol in your possession I don't answer questions on what grounds these 200 IQ lawyers destroy corrupt cops on March 22nd 2019 Kenneth Grant an Oklahoma city-based insurance adjuster parked outside a home on Summer Valley Road in Blanchard Oklahoma he was waiting to inspect the roof with permission from the homeowner officer Haynes questioned Mr Grant asking for identification as the interaction escalated officer Haynes called the assistant district attorney Ada for advice the Ada confirmed that without suspicion of a crime Mr Grant was under no obligation to provide ID how's it going man uh you live over here what's we doing over here I got a couple people call in on you okay am I doing something illegal well no they're just calling on you saying that I don't recognize a truck in the area my duty to check and see if you live over here what's going on live over here here for a purpose okay it all right you working you see you got a lad in the back you working somewhere yes sir you got driver's license on you so I can identify you uh have I done something El well I like to identify you just know who I'm dealing with make sure well if I'm making contact with you for a reason suspicion call like I am right now being suspicious is a Mr okay well sir here's the deal I was called on you okay um for a suspicious vehicle you said yourself you don't live over here you have a purpose what's your purpose is the purpose legal or illegal that's pry good to determine that okay so for me determine that I need to see your ID how is my ID going to determine whether I'm well it help let you know who I'm dealing with let me know who I'm dealing with but my name my name doesn't tell you whether I'm yeah it will tell me like if I don't know if you belong over here you said you don't so I don't know if someone over here's got a v or something against you and if you got your an ID or something I say I didn't belong over here you said he had purpose I don't live over here okay okay I I do belong here okay all right so that that's as far as I'm willing to take that do you have a date of birth then because I have to run it with a name and date of birth I'm not going to answer that question so you're you're you're ask you're telling me how I should do my job yet you're not allowing me to do my job standing up for my rights and I understand that like I said I haven't done anything wrong I'm doing my job cond investigation I haven't committed a crime I'm sitting here in front of a house which is perfectly [Applause] legal well you're not completely on the roadway there sir understand that by not identifying yourself appropriately as requested by the officer is illegal it's obstruction it's that's a secondary charge okay I have to be for you to ID me from the state of Oklahoma okay I have to be suspected of committ crime about to Comm the crime well you are committ crime you're trespassing that's your susp shut up somebody has called in you don't tell me to shut up I'll tell you what I want to tell you and you are also required by law upon request from law enforcement to ID yourself hey Travis hey what's up man nothing sorry to bother you I got a random question for you though well technically there's no obligation for him to identify himself I mean unless you've got reasonable suspicious that he's committing a crime well the thing is is I have no reason suspicion to believe that he's not committing crime because he has a ladder in the back of the truck and he's in front of houses that aren't occupied right now yeah um there's no compelled ID Statute in Oklahoma I have to think about Ian you have anything else that you get to you might be involved something elicit well just I I'm curious to why a man from Oklahoma City is parked on a dead end Road in Blanchard and uh you know he has no I ask him if he lives here and he's says I don't answer questions no that's why I called you instead of just ripping him out of his truck he asked if he was free to leave and I said not at this time I have my Emergency Equipment activated and I'm trying to investigate what if he going to drive away absolutely take enough he's driving an OP he's operating a motor vehicle but you don't have the traffic viation well I fall him out of town until I get one despite this Haynes with the support of police chief Stacy white detained Mr Grant citing obstru ction of Justice a charge vague and often misapplied under Oklahoma statute 21-5 40 eventually the officers released Mr Grant without charges however Blanchard police chief White ordered a citation for obstruction none of the officers issued it after the chief left well we don't want to identify ourselves completely he we have his name based on the tag but we don't know that that's actually his name that could just be the person registered to this vehicle and doesn't a suspicious person I don't know that incorporate arresting yeah we're about to get ready to do that maty one more thing under arrest what are you arrested him for huh he hasn't violated really a crime yet are you investigating a crime or possible crime possibly he's instructing an officer from doing his duty right okay said you're meeting somebody here in a few minutes legal right to make contact with based on call I don't you're that I'm not here to to listen to you I'm here to tell you what's going on okay I don't care if you record [Applause] me okay you're obstructing an officer from doing this de so now you're under arrest unless you want to qu okay but I mean why do I have to answer questions I'm here for a legal reason I'm I'm not I'm just not questions can I get your date of birth you're feeling to Iden have to by law I have the fth amendment right you are failing toid questions what have I Bren what law have I anybody in this house this house what law have I done back for a second for what obstruction for one okay just relaying what two told me the one and said I'm not doing it following the incident Mr Grant filed complaints against the department local officials and the assistant district attorney for ignoring missconduct and failing to fulfill public records requests but wait for this next case where Orlando attorney refuses police request to search car in July 2020 an Orlando attorney was pulled over by police for alleged vehicle infractions including non-compliant tag lights and a license plate border obscuring the county name during the stop the officer explained that the two white lights on the attorney's vehicle were projecting outward rather than Illuminating the tag a violation under Florida law h brother Hi how are you how long ago did you get in a crash um a year Okay the reason I pulled you you can't have white light emitting back what do you mean your tag lights they're supposed to illuminate your tag those two white lights all they're doing is shooting straight back you can't have any white light limiting them back so then that also doesn't illuminate your tag and on top of that you got a border around your tag that blocks the county that you live in you can't have that on your tag you are you talking about the one that the cardio should put up the black one that silver one that goes around your tag yeah you can't have that you got your license brother of course vehicle registered you of course and you got your registration for me you me fa roll down that other window for me thank you br perfect where you headed to man home where's Home on uh University on pier Drive how long you been uh in Orlando huh I work here some doggies or something okay your address just still sa says St Pete on your license yeah I need to update it when tag March okay are you can still weapons holder any weapons in the vehicle I need to be aware of nope nothing illegal in the car all right so after I'm done if I ask to search the vehicle to verify what you're saying is true you don't mind I do mind but only because I'm a lawyer okay so you know I consented that's what I'm asking so you have nothing in the vehicle I have absolutely nothing in the vehicle okay and you don't mind confirming that by allowing us to look and make sure there's nothing in the vehicle as you could imagine we hear no all the time as nothing we find stff rather not sear okay cool just hang TI Qui after running the attorney's information and verifying it the officer issued warnings instead of citations he advised the attorney to fix the tag lights remove the border and update his address on the license to reflect his current residency in Orlando hey what two times in a week say what two times in a week right I know man I'm spoiled at least I'm not a signal 40 van what can I say India 11 on the list 28 29 by registered owner Florida tag Charlie Alpha Hotel Quebec 15 [Music] got Downer all right Nicholas so one you got to get that that fixed those white lights in the back okay you keep getting pulled like that you're going to get tickets non-stop you understand that that border take that border off understand that I get home fix that atress just gave me your War board thank you appreciate it appreciate br want me to wait here nope you can pull away where was that last time3 no further action was taken and the attorney drove away without incident however this next case unfolds a law student who owns a corrupt cops on September 14th 2023 officer pearly of the New Mexico State University Police Department responded to an anonymous tip alleging that Joel Martinez a 19-year-old law student had brought a case of beer into his dorm room in Las Cruses New Mexico upon knocking on his door Martinez began filming the encounter officer Pearle informed him that they had received a report of him carrying alcohol into the dorm I'm sorry I can help you is there anyone else in here uh no it's just me okay you mind just opening the door that way I can see uh trying to what you trying to look for I just want to make sure there's no one else in there start and then I'll talk to you there's no one in there right now okay come out here and talk to me then yeah so I'm going to be honest with you so we got to report that um you were seen walking into your dorm with alcohol was there alcohol in there uh I don't answer questions what's your name and your badge number officer ferle NSU police title and name the security officer oh security officer okay okay you have an ID with you uh I do okay can I see uh you suspect me of a crime I do okay what crime and how can you articulate it minor possession of alcohol we got a report that you were walked in so it's like here that they say they said thing okay it's a yeah right it's like they said that he has and that that's how you're going to articulate it Martinez continued to challenge the officer's Authority citing that under New Mexico law police officers do not have qualified immunity he argued that the anonymous tip failed to to meet the necessary criteria for reasonable suspicion as established in cases like Florida vers JL where the Supreme Court ruled that anonymous tips without additional verification are insufficient for reasonable suspicion as the conversation unfolded officer Pearl's attempts to request Martinez's identification were met with resistance so we don't have to go down this route if you wanna if you want to go down this route we can well I really don't but like you're I'm studying right now I'm doing homework get knocked on my door I'm out here I want to know what's on you say that they they said that there's alcohol in this room oh they saw me going into this room and that there's alcohol in there how can you articulate it though okay so that's why I'm here talking to you yeah okay so I still need ID you uh no and then we need to go from there yeah have to you have to suspect me of a crime I I do you you you realize that uh cops in New Mexico don't have qualified immunity I do that I do okay so from from here and on just let's just be careful in what you about to do right now you're saying that you want my ID but right now you're not you or yourself can articulate a crime I have committed okay so so I already explained to you why I'm here why I I I know what you're here but okay is myid going to tell you there's alcohol in that room no but I still need to identify you my name is Joel Joel what Joel I need your first last name and your date of birth no you don't I do if you don't want to provide that you don't want to call officer Donovan or one of your supervisors here yeah I can get a sergeant over calling on because right now this is not what you want to do right now cuz this is a violation of my fourth amendment okay all right let me let me get a sergeant over here okay yeah 202 212 oh I'm yeah that's why okay you want to just hang out out here then is he detain no that's fine I just don't want anyone going in the room you could go in then if if he's not detained he's free to go yeah he's free to go but he can't go in the room he can't no not at this time all right just just let it be bro just they someone called and said that they saw us or me walk in there with a case of beer but that's all they have so so it's an investigation I'm talking to him he doesn't want to identify himself so until we get this figured out there's a sergeant on the way that's going to talk to him until this gets figured out I don't want anyone to go in the room you're free to go anywhere else that's fine you're not detained or anything but that's what's going all right is anything going to happen if I don't identify myself you can be arrested for concealing identity yes so okay so you that's what you I want you to say if you don't ID to me right now if I don't give you my ID that you're going to arrest me I want you to give me that ultimatum so just hold on you want to wait you said you wanted to wait to speak to a supervisor so let's just do that okay okay then okay thank you and keep your hands out of your pockets for me Sergeant John LEL arrived at the scene and when Martinez again refused to identify himself the officers informed him that he could face arrest for concealing identity under New Mexico law he demanded that the officers clearly state that he would be arrested for refusing to provide his identification Sergeant LEL explained that although the officers had Reasonable Suspicion they lacked sufficient grounds to arrest Martinez at that moment especially without the corroboration of the tip appreciate it hi name and bat number please Sergeant John love lace my badge number is 212 212 all right thank you uh officer said here that if I had don't ID I will be subject to arrest is that true it's possible yes possible yes or no I need I need that ultimatum or I won't give my ID okay so technically right now yes you could be arrested could I need a yes or no like I need you to tell me if you don't give me your ID right now I'm going to arrest you why why would I say that to you because I need that ultimatum cuz right now you're asking yes and I have the right to say no cuz you're asking you're not it's not a lawful order I need you to make it a lawful order being detained for suspicion of minor um in possession of alcohol mhm we need to see your ID okay and if not and if not you could be considered identity cuz New Mexico statute says that concealing of identity is a secondary charge I would have to have been arrested or suspected of a crime right now you hear just arrested or suspected you're being suspected of a having possession on what on what grounds okay so do you have any alcohol in your possession I don't answer questions on W grounds so you don't have any alcohol in your POS on walk grounds I don't answer questions on ground yeah that's her room bro n they are they're trying to go in bro they're trying to ID me but n okay so who are you talking to I'm recording you you're recording at all if you you that's fine so here's the deal by saying could what we are trying to do is we're trying to be cooperative with you and have you be cooperative with us and help us clear this matter up okay I gave him my name Jo what's your last name you don't need my last name and you do not need my date of birth unless you want to run me for unless you want to run my name through your system are you trying to run my name through the system you have warrants for your arrest I don't answer questions I don't answer questions I'm asking questions I don't it's my fifth amendment is it or is it not okay so the question is is that like the officer told you you're being suspected of having possession of alcohol underage so in that case the easiest way to prevent this is for you to let us know either you have you got somebody saw you carry a case of beer you have case of beer in your possession I don't answer questions all right um so the other the next the next step in this process would be would you give us consent to check your room n to make sure that you have no alcohol in your possession I not consent to any surges nor seizures okay very good all right um this is completely up to you how you want to play this you could get a warrant or you could so or you have probable cost right now we do have reasonable suspicion that possibly a crime had been committed we're trying to investigate that mhm you're certainly welcome come to refuse if you wish I know but we need to ID you or and if we do not if you do not present your identification you can face it a nontra citation you're saying could I need you to say you will I'm giving you the opportunity to no I need that ultimatum I will give you my idea if you say that I'm going to go get arrested if I don't give it to you so you'll give us if we say that if you say that yes sir cuz that's already grounds for me to set up litigation against you so you're threatening to sewers I ain't threaten nothing brother that's what you just said it's not a gives you grounds it's not a threat it gives me grounds does it or does it not I don't answer questions okay so the easiest and simplest solution to this is for you to tell us your name date of birth Joel Joel what Joel okay by just saying Joel there's a th Joels I need a last name of the date of birth for what you're going to run told you want my for the report I need to have your name and D I didn't even have to give you my first name for that report you could literally put the citizen or the or the guy or the suspect yes you can like that yes it does I'm a law student here you're not going to come over here and try to violate my rights I'm not trying to violate your rights I'm trying to be cooperative with you and you be cooperative with us cooperate with me and accept that I'm not going to give my idea unless I'm going to I'm going to get arrested say it and I'll give you my ID just say if you don't give me your ID I'm going to arrest you so you want us to threaten you youat yes I want you to give me that ultimatum you really want the ID threaten you that's how this is why because you know you can't you know you don't have that altimate you know you can't because you know that opens up for litigation and to make this clear I'm detained right now right cor thank you have to stay over oh no I can't I'm in your view I'm telling you you need to stay over here keep recording Sean don't let him intimidate you oh let me take my hand out my pocket thank you there's two guys right here with Glocks and scared of a scared of a 19-year-old with the phone bro well I'm not scared of a 19-year-old with the phone I have come on man don't do that okay seriously that's pocket do you see something in my pocket well we would like for you to do that for us just to be cooperative okay just to be cooperative like just like for you to say what you want me to do are you googling the L right now cuz that's really what you should be doing right now all right you okay with that yeah continue are you sure you're okay with that yeah I give you permission oh thank you very much yeah it's okay I appreciate it okay so sure you have a class at the okay so here's why we need your name and date of birth I'm going to read you the law because you are a law student okay according to New Mexico it's all being recorded yeah I know my body camer running so I'm I'm going use my my own so concealing identity consists of concealing one's true name or Identity or disguising oneself with the intent to obstruct the due execution of the law am I obstructing or yes technically you are with the intent to intimidate hinder or interrupt any public officer mhm or any person in illegal performance of his duties or exercise of his rights under the law of the United States okay so your investigation is investigating that I'm in possession of alcohol right that's exactly if I don't give you if I give you my IDs I going to tell you if I do or do not have alcohol in that room or is it just a way with something no the ID is so that we can identify who we are talking to if you wish to deny us access to that room that is totally within your rights but you refusing to identify yourself To Us by name and date of birth full name m date of birth that is concealing identity yeah okay okay so just tell me that if I don't give you the ID you're going to arrest me just say it show us your ID we need to see your ID or you will be arrested thank you y'all got that right yeah yeah you got that pigs for real why do you use that term cuz why the you searching my sh like we're not searching that's a that's that's a Seas of my identification is it or is it not seure we seure of my identification yes or no we just need to see who you are in order to go investigation told you my name legal name your first name what is my Joel not the legal name or what Joel what he has my ID go look at it perfect that's all we needed thank you that's all we needed mhm let's go down here real quick please am I able to go in my room no not yet just hold up for just a minute please guys are they oh wait they're right here hi I right here just listening yeah you're listening M all right anything else I can help you guys with just going to stand around and get paid yeah sure just going to stand around and get paid brother yeah yeah like I think we just Prov some racist I'm going get complaints on both of your ass and chief Donovan is going to know about this because that he knows who I am chief Donovan knows you Chief Donovan knows who I am okay first all right app it up for real have a nice day yeah and did you find anything with that ID brother did you find out if there's alcohol in here or not with that ID has consent so that's fine I didn't you so we're not going we're not going to argue with you have a ni well this is actually a common area so we're allowed to go work I pay you for something out of here yes I you for something cuz you got my ID for no reason brother okay get have a nice day sir thank you have a nice day yeah [ __ ] you byebye have a nice day [Music] where you park I'm on the east side okay I'm going to walk back by here in just a minute oh [Music] so Martinez continued to refuse consent for the officers to search his dorm room emphasizing his right to refuse any search without a warrant the officers discussed their options including securing the room and potentially obtaining a search warrant eventually the situation ended without further escalation but the encounter raised significant legal questions about the limits of police Authority and individual rights that's all for this video make sure to subscribe to our Channel and hit that Bell icon for more interesting videos like this thank you for watching our video