today we will look at six different incidents between police officers and citizens what lawful basis was there for you to demand her ID I don't know what lawful basis was there for you to put her in handcuffs in response to her not giving you her ID um in order to detain somebody what do you have to have legally I do not know the law legally okay CU I'm going to I'm I don't know the law exactly you don't know when an officer is allowed to detain somebody the moment she realized that she is in a big trouble this is Sergeant Jennifer Larson and Lieutenant Donald meazzo both cops for over 20 years and completely unaware of the law a woman named Amanda was videotaping the Cook County Courthouse from outside Lieutenant milazo told her that what she was doing was against the law and that she would be placed under observation but what he didn't know is that her video recording was completely legal according to the law if there is no oral conversation in a public place it can be recorded on video ma'am can I ask what you're doing I'm recording the building why cuz I want to for what purpose can I get a supervisor to the front door pleas hey ma'am you know this is a public building exactly that's why I'm recording it it's also a court facility yep which there is a Judicial law or judicial order that says that you cannot keepe this building can I see that order yes come on in we're going to check your IDs too oh no I'm not going in oh yeah no no no we're going to run you too no that's all right we're going to get your name we're going to do a report and everything so come on in um no no yeah you're going to come in now am I being detained yes for what because right now we you are doing something suspicious that's not a reason to detain anybody well it is for din know come on it's really not so I'm just going to stay here and continue recording okay you're going to come in and we're going to find out who you are and what you're doing here no you're not okay all right who's got cuffs she does not want to go agreeably after a small argument Lieutenant milatzo took Amanda inside meanwhile Sergeant Jennifer larsson's body camera was recording what happened inside was a fiasco Lieutenant meazzo was doing questionable things with Samantha's camera footage Amanda insisted on withholding her ID resisting the police's unjust Demands a lawyer okay call your lawyer that includes my camera as far as um consent well it's already on are you familiar with the Fourth Amendment oh great why do we always get the crazy I don't know you to delete my footage do you want to cooperate or not I'm remaining silent it is only making it worse do you want to give us an ID remain isent don't consent to searches we're not going to search it we're asking for an ID what the is going out today I don't know every crazy loon in the building is coming all we're asking do we'll do a report you can go on your way with your camera otherwise I'm going to confiscate the camera and we're going to take it downstairs you because you're suspicious me silent this going to be the last chance we're going to take you downstairs then you will be arrested we will fingerprint you and we will run you is this what you want let mean in silent we're going to probably take her in front of the judge okay he's going to hold her in contempt for I think right now he's doing 90 days okay so that okay with you silent okay you realize you're going to go to Cook County Jail for 90 days silent okay okay now you have an option all you have to do is show us an ID so that we can do a report and we'll let you go on your way I have an option yeah we told you that before right now you're just obstructing and you're obstructing what you're obstructing us from doing our job remaining silent all right cuffer let's get her purse get her stuff I don't consent to searches well we don't care anymore she responded to Lieutenant milazzo's threats with remaining silence the police then handcuffed Amanda for obstruction but she was released after a while shortly after Samantha sued Cook County for human rights violations including unlawful detention intimidation threats unlawful arrest misconduct in office and illegal search although the trial process has been ongoing for several years footage of the interrogation of the police officers involved has been released to the media is it against the law to take pictures of a courthouse no not that I know okay is it lawful to arrest somebody for taking pictures outside of a courthouse of the courthouse no nothing any know okay is there something your voice pleas okay sorry I gotta get every word because it's on video okay are you familiar with this case at all which case the the case that brings is here today that you're testifying in yes okay and and in a nutshell what's the case about I would say that Amanda is I guess I called you to say that she was uh outside videoing when she shouldn't have been so she's saying we violated her Amendment rights you're correct um when you say when she shouldn't have been what does that mean was she doing something wrong uh just something unusual what us as officers would consider unusual unusual okay um depending on where you are in the country Mormons are unusual right depending on where you are might be unusual to see a Mormon do you get to detain Mormons in those places I don't know people detain Mormons I don't know if they detain Mormons would it be lawful just because it's unusual no I don't okay is there something unlawful about recording outside of a building I'm sorry what was the question let me ask you this was M doing anything illegal when she was detained I know I would say it was not illegal unusual okay um in order to detain somebody what do you have to have legally do you know I do not know the law legally look at the faces of the sergeant when she's answering questions she knows they're guilty of what they're involved in after 20 years as a police officer we would expect someone to have at least some knowledge of the law what would you do if one of those people said to you what's the difference between arrest and detain what would your answer be call Legal Mr Gorman seated to your left no Sheriff has their own legal oh okay their own legal who helps them understand things like the difference between arrest and the two yes gotcha was there a lawful basis to handcuff her yes okay what was that lawful basis officer safety did you have any reasonable suspicion that she was committing a crime we had Reasonable Suspicion to ask her what she was doing and why she was doing it just to get who she was and and why you and I agree on that that you had the right to ask her whatever you wanted to ask her did you have the right to put her in handcuffs for the security of the officers yes okay what made her a threat her refusing to give any information that was requested of her was she legally obligated to give that information when an officer has asked her for security purposes to give her identity up yes it's hard to understand how someone's refusal to give their identity makes them a threat have you ever heard of something called a Terry search or a Terry Frisk I have what is that um I'm not going to say exactly I don't know the law okay um well let me just ask you this a police officers allowed to go over to anybody they want demand to CID and if they refuse they get to arrest them is that your testimony or detain them let you say one more time sure police officer goes over to somebody on the street let's call the person Mr plaintiff Okay police officer goes to Mr plaintiff and says hey let me see your ID and Mr plaintiff says uh no is the officer now allowed to put Mr plaintiff in handcuffs and detain him we object it's a hypothetical cause for speculation yeah you can answer okay um I do believe yes for officer safety they do have the right doesn't there have to be reasonable suspicion that the person committed a criminal offense or violated a law is I'm going to I I don't know the law exactly we appreciate the sergeant at least admitting what she didn't know but what the lieutenant is about to say will shock you if you could go back in time to the day that you arrested her would you still arrest her so you're asking me if I can go back in time yeah I don't know how I could do that okay did you understand my question I did and you're asking me to suppose whether or not I can go back in time I can't so you can't tell me if you would still arrest her I can't tell you what would happen on that day if I went back in time no there any reasonable suspicion that she was committing a crime yes or no we weren't sure what she was doing okay so if you don't know what somebody's doing do you have reasonable suspicion that they're doing anything in particular no but we have a reasonable response to ask what she was doing right agreed you could ask her what she's doing and when she refuses to answer are you now allowed to detain her yes who told you this that you get to detain people who are videoing and refuse to identify themselves when asked are you familiar with the fourth amendment by the way vaguely what does it say in your own vague terms uh no illegal search and seizure right unless there's probable cause or that's about all I know okay all right good enough he said that's about all I know all right um now there was somebody else who asked you the same question that I just asked you about your familiarity with the Fourth Amendment uh who's in this room right now do you know who that person was my client M asked you that didn't she I don't recall she asked you are you familiar with the Fourth Amendment you don't remember that no lawyer okay call your lawyer that includes my camera as far as um consent it's already had you familiar with the Fourth Amendment oh great why do we always get the Creed I don't know when people act in a way that is not in their best interest how is she acting that was not in her best interest well at any time all she had to do is identify herself we could have done our report you have an option all you have to do is show us an ID so that we could do a report and we'll let you go on your way everything could have gone the own and if uh if somebody were to threaten you that unless you comply with their demands they're going to put you in handcuffs would you automatically necessarily comply with their demands yes you would f for speculation he was able to answer so so you would so even if uh even if there's somebody who is acting as a law enforcement officer giving you an unlawful order threatening you with detainment or arrest or 90 days jail if you don't comply with their unlawful demands you would still comply yes all righty is that what you expected her to do to comply yes is there a law that requires people to identify themselves when requested by law enforcement I don't know did you delete her pictures no who did don't know you don't know who deleted her pictures no by the time you got in front of Judge Peter Feliz they were deleted weren't they as far as I know they were still on there you grabbed her camera yes away from her outside did you not yes from that point until you were in front of Judge Peter Feliz did she ever hold her camera again no okay so you had it the entire time yes didn't judge Peter Feliz talk to you about whether the pictures had been deleted he asked for the the memory thing so he could delete them see how many times he blinks that's a big sign that he's lying you just said that he asked you for the memory card because he wanted to delete the pictures is that your testimony yes okay and if he were to testify at some point in time that he absolutely categorically did not delete those pictures then would you want to change your answer as to whether you or one of your people did I'm going to object call for speculation no one had custody of the camera but me okay would it have been lawful for you to delete her pictures I don't know what do you think are you allowed it go over to people's pictures and delete them no without a court order no right that would be a violation of which amendment do you know No in fact you said to her that they take it not so lightly it can either be an incident report or you can go to bond court remember saying that no they take it not so lightly they can either be an incident report or you're going to go to bond court I what do you do if somebody says they want to talk to a lawyer and you have them in handcuffs we allow him to call a lawyer do you keep asking the questions it depends on the case oh I got you okay tell me the case in which you would continue to ask questions of somebody in custody after they ask for a lawyer if we're doing an investigation we're going to ask I got you okay do you know which amendment it is that allows people to demand a lawyer do you have any idea no have you ever read any body the Miranda rights no you've never read anybody their Miranda rights no have you ever arrested anybody no other than Miss burquest no um and uh and you don't know the Miranda Rights not off hand no all right um when you arrest somebody do you have to advise them that they have the right to remain silent yes do you have to advise them that they have the right to an attorney yes do you have to advise them that if they cannot afford an attorney one will be provided to them yes okay um now what if somebody says yes I want to talk to an attorney do you get to keep asking them questions or do you have to call a lawyer for them before you want to ask any more questions I don't know you don't know you don't know if you're allowed to keep asking questions of somebody in custody after they ask for a lawyer no how long have you been employed under at Cook County Sheriff's 27 years 27 7 years I imagine you only became a lieutenant recently no how long ago did you become a lieutenant 22 years ago you've been a lieutenant for 22 years and you don't know the Miranda Rights yes what's your rank Sergeant how long have you been a sergeant I have been a sergeant it's 10 years it will just be coming up in Long n and a half years how long have you been working for the Cook County uh Sheriff's Office as a law enforcement officer of some sort in any capacity uh 19 years and 10 months what are the Miranda rights are Miranda rights can I I don't have I would have to read them to you from a pre-written okay but you never told her matter of factly that she's going to go to jail for 90 days if she doesn't give you her ID I don't recall that no well did you or did you not or do you not know I do not recall that is that something that you would do and say no although the case is still open it is clear from the evidence that the police made a completely unjustified arrest against Amanda and violated a dozen human rights a man named Jeff Gray was driving around at night doing Copwatch for those who don't know Copwatch is a network of typically autonomous activist organizations focused on local areas in the United States Canada and Europe that observe and document police activity looking for signs of police misconduct and brutality it is completely legal and safe as long as you do not prevent them from doing their work during Copwatch Mr Jeff had an interesting dialogue with the cops even though he parked in a completely legal way can you turn your car off for me and drop the back windows um it might be entertained or something yes sir for what reason we got you for Ling time you're driving around you drove past us three times it's loitering you think yes you qualifi to meing on that so right now you're in the position you're not out out of awful time somebody else would be out it is 3:00 in the morning rough you're out driving around I've seen you make three loops around us while we were over there on a security check and your point is trying toig I mean I'm not convinced it's in your business uh what I'm doing out here I'm just trying to see why you're out here this late you know this early in the morning yeah I'm not convinced it's in your business it is my business I'm trying to figure out why you're out here I'm still not convinced all right get give me your license registration proof insurance for what reason you're lawfully detained right now you need to provide ID I'm lawfully detained yes sir uh I'm not convinced as any y's business why what I'm doing excuse me hello yeah Sergeant Harris nice to meet you hi okay these are all closed businesses you don't have any warrants you're free to go you need to dispel our alarm while you're stopped in front of two businesses that are closed okay my I'm going to dispill your alarm right now you can do that but you need understand this is our traffic stop EXC you don't run it you don't have a traffic stop you haven't stopped me for a traffic I sto yes you did you stopped in the middle of the roadway sir I stopped in a lawful parking spot I've got a dash can it took you a second to get there like I said I'm not convinced it's any of your business when I'm doing out here listen if you're a private investigator and you're working that's fine but you need to verify that I'm still not convinced this any of your business oh I see yeah so am I free to go no no what do you have me detain for Sarah I'll go to the back and on the plate I'll be what do you have to T what do you have me to T for you driving out is it Ling or prowling or or cop watching not cop watch it's loing pring we saw you make three Loops a around there's a close businesses over parked over there are you guys cops yes we are have you ever heard a cop watching I have okay I'm just trying to figure out just to have you dispill my alarm how's it going sir my name is off P Police Department yeah so as of right now you are detained okay you're not free to leave all right okay so as of right now we have a lawful reason to detain you we've notified what is that lawful reason okay you're a traffic stop it's not a traffic stop traffic stop for what reason what's the traffic stop for whenever you pulled off of East drain Street mhm you failed to come to a complete stop before exiting the roadway okay we are on foot you see I've got a dash C okay that's cool that's fine this isn't roadside Court Okay so so we've notified you for the reason you can please provide me the driver's license registration proof and if I don't what'll happen at that point you're failing to identify to a Lo enforcement officer me so you're you're claiming it's in my pocket so you're claiming that you had me stop for a lawful reason yes sir once again this is not roadside court so uh you know what you guys are full of okay so if you can can you please provide me I'm out here cop watching that's all I'm doing I've told you what I'm doing I've dispelled your arm I'm out here I'm a grown man and it doesn't matter if I'm out here at 2:50 in the morning it's it's irrelevant that's fine all right but that's my reason for coming over here okay all right you guys can have a nice night and let me go for you no you're not free to leave when am I free to go once you identify yourself you don't you don't get to just identify me for no reason you don't have me for told you do not have me for a legitimate traffic stop so here's the thing you don't have me for a legitimate traffic stop sir I stopped stop sign explain the reason you said I stopped I failed to complete stop yes sir I stopped at that stop sign I counted to three okay so sir my this is roadside court it's still going okay so this is not roadside Court sir you can please identify yourself my name is Jeff okay can I please see your identification she just identified me she my I need to see your identification the tag does not come back it's not showing a registered vehicle now you have to show some registration and verify because it's not legal on the street you guys are so you're so full of I just ran it on you're full of shut up thank you sir but may I see your registration and insurance please thank you sir sir sometimes that happens with a dealer tag so that's why I'm asking is the vehicle registered to this whole stop is is you're going to be free to go in just one second as long as you can verify because I'm not doing anything wrong you guys have stopped me for a constitutionally protected activity is what you've done understood but the tag is not valid sir so that tag does not come back to this car so now it is a good probable cost I've got it right there on the registration okay well I'm verifying to you what our dispatch said the first initial stop was the stop sign violation next to the church that was the first one okay but we were checking a business so we couldn't get to our you guys you I don't want to hear your all right just shut your mouth until I'm fre you to go all right I don't want to hear you I don't believe any of it I think you're all full of okay and you're making up you're making lies up not at all sir absolutely and my Dash camo prove it okay no worries I'm out here doing cop watching that's why I'm riding around I've told you what I'm doing I'm dispelled understood that's all my job is is to keep sure my businesses don't get broken into at night good that's all all right thank you just let me run in once again that's the reason for the Stop and that's what we observe okay Mr Jeff just two things when we first initially saw you where we were on foot by the business it appeared it was a Stop Bar violation we were over there we couldn't get out with you no big deal when I get to the vehicle and I run the tag dispatch says it doesn't have a record which is common with a dealer tag I didn't know that you had this registration so I advised you on the other side it appeared to be a dealer tag so it is all your credentials are verified sir you're free to go in this video you will see the struggle of a citizen who knows his rights against unlawful and arrogant cops it is quite scary how badly the police officers use the powers given to them although there are many comments to be made about the video I leave it to you stop right there back off back off no I'm not going to back off okay what's going on what's going on nobody's done anything to you yet are you going to come to me look we got to complaint about you being up here talk to me what's going on hey come here and talk to me don't approach me don't approach me don't approach me put your put your hands up on the car I haven't broken the law exercising my rights in public you have no right to touch me this officer violating my rights no I'm not yes he is hang on on hang on hang on I don't consent to search the seeds of my property we're not searching you we're patting you down for our safety get off me move move man get off me stop touching me stop touching me I already told you that sir no right to touch calm down yes I do calm down this guy's touching me right here what is your name what's going over what's your name and bass number ma'am identify yourself since you want to go hands on I'm Sergeant wild what is your name what's your name and Bash number ma'am I'm asking you a question what's your name and Bash number are you not going to identify yourself I am you need to identify yourself what's your bash number e hands okay be respectful what is your what is your name you got an ID on you am I being detained for a crime we're investigating we got called on you okay how about you guys disperse and get up out of here okay why would we do that because you have no reason to be here yes we do yes we do we got a call onang around the sheriff's office here see here's the thing they're not used to a man standing up for his rights especially in Jacksonville Texas they're not used to it that's why they're laughing and thinking it's funny as they violate people's constitutional rights on a daily they do not respect their rights but guys like me are putting them straight back to the video guys okay we got a complaint cuz find out what's going on I come up to talk to you and you take off running so yes that's very suspicious not illegal I didn't say it was illegal I said it was suspicious I triy to talk to you and you won't talk to me so tell me what's going on right now what I need you to do is get from behind me and go back in into your vehicle I don't have to do that well I'm I'm going go and walk away then cuz then walk away how about that walk away how about that huh go on I don't have to go on actually can stay here if I want you're actually in the roadway so because you put me against the car oh no we didn't step over here towards me he did not move me he didn't move me okay how about you get out of the roadway get on the sidewalk I def get out the roadway not an issue there but y'all push me against the car okay keep moving I don't have to keep moving haven't broken the law do what I haven't broken the law ma'am do yourself a favor go back in your patrol car you're not telling me what to do I I am telling you what to do because went to listen to you right I mean you're wasting tax dollars so on you you're right that's your fault you chose to be here no we no we didn't we got called somebody thought it was very suspicious that you're hanging around the Sheriff's Office over here which is funded by our tax dollars right oh do you pay taxes I sure do I pay a lot more than you think too oh I'm sure I pay a lot more taxes than you think I'm sure you do e hands do yourself a favor go back in your car not going to tell me when I can leave when I can't leave actually I'm going to tell you when when you well guess what I don't have to listen to you the young officer thinks that because she is a cop she has the power to do anything she can think of but someone has to tell her the truth well I guess we going to be here all day then I got nothing but I don't care either are you intoxicated you sound like you're intoxicated or or are you making false are you making false accusations are you making false I'm asking you are you answering or not nothing wrong with exercising your first member rights in public you guys came to me bro what what's the First Amendment freedom of press okay what are you right now I'm recording you guys and that's good we're recording you too because you guys are funded by tax dollars right right we're doing our job well how about since there's no crime happening here how about you guys dispers that's what we're trying to figure out I've already I've already explained it to you we got called on you you don't need to explain nothing to us don't you want to ask for you're stupid get out of my site now for what well I can't do nothing to you cuz I go to jail so get out exactly yeah cuz you got that badge that's right you you got that badge that badge is the only thing that's that's making you stand here right now that's that's right I got called here and I'm doing my job well now that there's no crime committed how about get going I don't know if there's a crime committed CU you will not identify yourself I don't have to get my ID to oh okay so what what is the deal I asked you if you were intoxicated and you didn't give me an answer I don't answer questions how about that oh okay how about that y well I got nothing but I got nothing but time you guys can disperse at anytime you guys want you guys can disperse at anytime you want what's your name and bass number it's written right there written right there mm your name is right here yep can you pronounce it boram bass number 222 good job you already identifi yourself yeah I did next time when I ask you for for your identification what when I ask you for ID you give it to me okay don't have to how about how about you qu running your head do yourself a favor you're F to buy tax dollars it's your obligation to identify yourself how do I know you're not in person how you know you're not fake police officers you think we're a person name call the police is they'll tell you whether or not we are right you for that one that's the whole point of identified that good you got to be there can't I guess we're just going to stay here and do nothing or what no we're waiting on an answer answer yeah from the Sheriff's Office once we get an answer from the sheriff just just I just want to let you know something you can't trespass from the sheriff's department it is public property transort Fun by a tax dollar actually it's not public who funds the sheriff's department this isn't the sheriff doesn't matter who fser it's still it's still why does it say Sheriff Department proper it's still funded by tax dollars I could be at the prison and it wouldn't matter it's funded by our tax dollars so am I being detained for said you were in prison what I said it's like being on a prison property it's still funded by tax dollars yeah that that doesn't mean you can't be on Prison property try it and see what happens try to get in there I've done a lot of things on a prison prop I've exercised my rights on a prison property oh I'm sure you have I don't absolutely okay I don't know what you're inating but am I being detained for a crime I told you you could leave so leave okay so I'm not detained so you never said you were detained okay I just want I just want to get that clarified if I'm if I'm not detained then I'm free to stay I just want no if we're wating on answer to see if they want you primly trespassed if we do then you're gonna be criminally trespassed and then you will leave the property if not you can stay here I am memes you can stand right there too I don't I don't care where you stand but if they want you see te it's not going to be here oh I'm going to tell you something I'm not detained so you don't get my the best thing you guys can do for yourself is to go back in your car and leave okay I'm just being I'm just being honest I'm glad you think that I I don't what you think oh yeah see I'm so glad I do these audits you're doing good I'm very I'm doing a very good job hey you're going to be the star of the show thank you I appreciate that's a I like being scar yeah you say that now scar a lot of things I guess your attitude is problem that's why that's why there's a disconnect yeah I agree yeah so that's why I'm here for to test out to see if you guys respect my rights and you failed miserably thank you you know the other put it on my eail the the other police or you can look up the complaint for him and write a complaint too oh I might do that do it I might just not today I got better things to do me too so I mean you can leave I will whenever I get an answer I would hope the sheriff would respect the Constitution doesn't have anything to do with you being criminal trespassed it has a lot to do with it if if I'm not able to exercise my rights on a Sheriff's Department property which is funded by tax dollars then that is going to get let me explain something to you okay yeah because who it's funded by doesn't have anything to do with it it's like school property school property is private property if they want you removed from that dep on the schools no public school is private property it's owned by the school district okay and if they want you removed from that you can be removed from that property okay just like the Sheriff's Office it's not public property public property would be like this sidewalk right here on when I drove up you were in their parking lot up there by the office right so that's and I was never told I was never told to leave either give us a chance either you took off running man I wasn't detain at the time either no but you but we've gotten to that point now where we're talking to you about it so once we find out we all right you criminally trespass then we'll do that so you guys man so if I'm not detained I'm going go I'm behe I'm g go ahead and leave okay okay I'm just waiting on you guys to disperse we're not going to we're staying here until we get an answer okay we don't have to leave either you don't have to tell us to disperse because we don't have to we can do we want to go I guess yeah I guess I would like to have the sheriff come out here to confirm your criminal trespass too well I'm I'm I'm not going to take your word for it I'm not going to take your word for it man I would rather have a sheriff tell me so I have that right I have that right if they tell us to do that then we'll do it that's our legal right well we'll see you seem kind of bored I am you know you I'd rather be doing with real crime instead of people like this well you can leave you think they know the law I do know the law I'm sure I may not know all the laws that I'll give you I that I'll give you but I know I'm enough all right Sheriff said you need to leave the property I am on the sidewalk okay and keep walking I'm on a sidewalk this is not their property how about you disperse and when you guys leave I'll leave how about you can't run in your dumb mouth why you got to be so mean I'm not mean you're just fool out of yourself you're calling me dumb let's get something I want you to understand something okay if you go back on the property over here Sheriff's property that's the paring lot parking lot their property anywhere around there okay we come back and see you there you'll be arrested and you'll go to jail okay so don't do that sidewalks okay I mean if you want a lawsuit go ahead it's not about whether we want a lawsuit it's about you're being criminally trespassed from that from a public facility man it's a if so can you walk in there right now right now it's closed exactly that don't mean that means it's not open to the public right now it is a public facility no private property belongs to the county that makes it private property no yes it does who funds the county it doesn't matter who pays for it I pay tax so therefore I fund the county that has nothing to do with whether it's private property or not that's what I'm trying to explain to you about the school Walmart all these where you go shopping all these places are private property the school is funed by public but I have no reason to be at of school I don't test teacher about their rights I test police about their rights that's all that's all I do understand that I understand what you're doing out here and if you know I'm not breaking the law why I just did okay you were on private property they wanted you to leave you were suspicious we came to check you out you took off running that's even more suspicious instead of just stopping and talking to me like I wanted you to you decide to to make this a bigger deal than what it is there's nothing wrong with exercising your rights in public we all have our Styles doing it there's nothing wrong with me doing my job either right I mean there's a way about there's a way about going about doing your job there is you're threatened to arrest me for going back on the shiff to arrest you you just said if I go on their property then I'll be arrested yes because you are being criminally trespassed from that property want you there well how about get the sheriff out here I don't have getbody or a deputy sheriff I don't have to have auty out here they told us we have the authority to do it okay it's within the city limits okay whatever you said so I'm just letting you know don't go back on the property okay good okay do you just want to go home now I mean do you want to go back on patrol clearly there's no crime happening clearly there's no crime happening right now I'm sure there is elsewhere well maybe go that you have us taught up with so just understand if you come back on the property you're going to jail you're going to violate my rights I'mma take you to jail promise you're going violate my rights I'm going take you to jail I promise you that that's how we going to do it okay okay well you have a good day okay bye byebye don't make it any more difficult than what it already is okay just don't go back I'm already proven what I need to prove him bro you guys don't respect the Constitution don't I'll be back I I'll be back tomorrow during business hours to confirm that trespass won be there this special unit facility it's an Annex of sheriff okay actual sheriff's office is down okay so I I'll confirm that with the sheriff's department on on Tuesday because it's Memorials Day okay so all right you have a good day I was especially surprised that the young police officer had the potential to use the authority given to her to shoot someone just because she felt unsafe can you take your hands out of your pockets for my safety I don't have any weapons on Sir can you okay can you can you check them cuz I don't know what you cannot just check me you can't do that you can't take your hand out of your pocket so I know I'm safe you're here to protect and serve the public correct yeah I'm serving and protecting them from you from me what this private property sir this is not private property this is private property this is not private property that they don't want you on the property any longer or you're causing a disturbance to the business and what they're doing you're going to have to go there are people who persistently think that they know about a subject even though they have no knowledge about it in this video you can find a handful of police officers who do not understand the law at all but insistently claim that they do an independent journalist named Shawn was peacefully exercising his constitutional rights at the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission when security called the cops putting him in an unexpected position the fact that the police officers not only did not know the difference between State and private property but insisted that they did made us question their knowledge of the law once again today we're at the Motor Vehicle Commission here in raway New Jersey we're here today as always to peacefully exercise our First Amendment right to film in public and publicly accessible areas to promote transparency and accountability within our government and to ensure that our public servants recognize our rights and treat us with respect you can't record on this you're recording cannot record there's a sign right here yeah I saw the sign turn it off please who are you I'm the supervisor turn it off supervisor for what for the motor vehicle turn it off I'm going to get security and the police you can get whoever you want Ma'am why are you getting so upset excuse me ma'am why are you getting so upset wow got get off you can't be on the phone over here who are you I'm an officer officer and I work here officer Gonzalez yeah and you're not allowed to be offer Gonzalez you know I could use a little less of that attitude you got there telling you to stop you're acting a little bit extra yeah respect what she's telling you okay do you here are you going to take a test Howes how does respect equate into what I'm doing cuz she's telling you to turn the phone off I'm all right so think about your logic here office in Gonzalez I can tell you respectfully just go about your way and go back to doing your job because this is my job this is private property your job is not to tell me what to do yeah is private property that's no your job is not to tell me what to do your job is to do whatever it is else you're supposed to do I'm not sure what your job inails go with it to to tell me what to do no no to you have private property though this is not private property telling you not to turn the phone on what you was recording I'm recording everything that I can anything that I can are you taking a test or somebody else is taking a test well I don't have to answer those questions you guys are both you know coming at me with real it's real you guys are being disrespectful not me no you being disrespectful she's telling you she's a but I don't have to listen to her and I and respectfully I don't have to listen to you or her ma'am I don't you want me to callway police you can call whoever you'd like yeah I don't have to listen to them either Mr Shawn speaks with a lot of respect even when the police prevent him from exercising his constitutional right to do so but the same cannot be said for officer Gonzalez no the police are not going to come and get me I don't have to listen to them either man what are you recording then I mean honestly what are you recording you right now yeah you have to respect what she's telling I don't I I I don't have to respect what especially when she's telling me something that I don't have to do what did she tell you she told me to stop recording what what what is you doing here but that's like me telling you anything I I would never I would never dare I would never dare at this point I don't want to answer any questions at this point because of the way test because of the way you both have came up to me and treated me I don't want to answer any questions at this time ma' are you taking a test I told you I don't want to answer any questions test I just told you I don't want to answer any questions proba police if don't want you can I mean ma'am I'm not scared of the police the police are here to protect and serve me so that's their job description she made good on her promise to call local law enforcement so let's see if they educate her on our constitutional rights or not hopefully that's the case how you doing sir what's going on hey how are you good good what's what's happened uh nothing just taking some pictures and video and officer Gonzalez and some other people seem to not like that a lot so miss against the policy well this is private property sir this is not private property this is private property this is not private property yes it is private property it's not private property it is I did it I did I looked up the surveys before I came here and this is not private property no the state this is owned by the state of New Jersey which means that which is private property you're saying that the State motor vehicle is part of uh this private property no it's owned by the state which means that it's public property sir I think that's ridiculous that you would say that this is private property when it's owned by the private property it's who's it owned by the state by the state yes okay so you saying any any place in the state you could go there yeah go there any any any state any any any State Property that's not restricted yeah I can go there saying it's against their policy for anybody to so man' let me get this straight this doesn't make any sense because officer Gonzalez you call him because I'm in supposed call the supervisor okay the supervisor called him because I'm in supposed violation of a policy you're not policy enforcement sir right you don't enforce policies you're a law enforcement yes I'm not breaking any laws well this is private property that's why that's this is not private property it's scary that you would think that this is private property property sir really can I get your name and badge number please yes right here Withers yeah Withers yes thank you Hi how are you ma'am good how are you doing good can I get your name and badge number please sure I'm officer Malone can you take your hands out of your pockets for my safety oh my hand in my pocket is not again not for your safety yes it is it's for my safety sir can you take it's a little chilly out here I don't have any weapons on me sir can you okay can you can you check them cuz I don't know what you cannot just check me you can't do that you can't go in my pockets I don't consent to searches or Hey sir take your hands out of your pockets you can't tell me to take my hands out of my pocket what it's not against the law to keep my hand in my pocket it's cold out here it's a little wind I know you have a weapon I don't I'm telling you I don't I'm not going to show you my hands man because it doesn't that's not against the law talk to you you can't you can't just search people what's wrong with you can I speak to a supervisor please yes we got call one thank you appreciate it they automatically put on YouTube I guess it can go wherever yeah I know that's what I figure you do it goes you one of those guys to try to record cops or whatever put on YouTube Instagram and everything if you have been given a constitutional right as a citizen and you want to use it you can use it why does exercising a constitutional right make me a premium or a news seeking anti- police money Hunter the only reason why this video is shared in this thread is the police themselves but they never look for The Fault in themselves I didn't call you here nice I didn't call you here nice that's do and you shouldn't and you shouldn't and you shouldn't have any problem with a man exercising his rightor vehicle yeah I mean the motor vehicle but sir you're your you that's I don't know but all I know is that that is a problem that officer's actions is a problem you can't just go up into somebody's Pockets you can't do that she tried to you tried to if I didn't I backed away it doesn't matter you're you have a weapon so you have a weapon you have a taser and a gun do I you do right okay you all have weapon you all have weapons here you all have weapons here except me I'm the only one without a weapon I'm the one with the camera and you guys are terrified I have a camera too also yeah should I be terrified of you because you're recording ridiculous am I supposed to be terrified of you yeah you are terrified of me cuz you tried to go in my pockets I didn't try and go in your pockets you tried to go in my pockets I don't know what you have hey Sergeant how are you Sergeant hey Sergeant I can speak to you for a minute hands out of his pocket well that you got to do for my safety and if you want to speak to me take your hand out of your pocket so I know I'm safe in your state but sir you have four officer five officers here I it doesn't matter I've done this for a long time they're asking you to take but you can see that I don't have any weapon yes you can yes you can does that look like does that look show me your hand then no but it's I'm not going to entertain that it's a power thing it's a power power thing I'm asking to see your hands the way you can see and you can see what's in my pocket you can I'm not asking to see what's in your pocket I'm asking to see your hand so if I took my hand out of my pocket and then I put my hand back in my pocket if you want to put it back in your pocket the outside of your pocket to make sure there's nothing in there so do you want to take your hand out of your pocket or would you like me to Pat I don't consent to any searches seizures I would I'm not searching your seizure I'm not taking anything from you I'm going to make sure I'm safe safe everybody's safe what is wrong with you everybody is safe anything wrong with me you asked to talk to me yeah so now I'm here to talk and I'm here to complain excuse me let me speak I'm I'm here to I see your hand out of your pocket I'm here to issue complain take your hand out of your pocket let me speak to your supervisor I am my supervisor I'm the road supervisor no you're there's there's a lieutenant above you he's on he's on the desk he's not on the road so if you want to go inside we can go speak to him you are you are giving off a horrible example for your Police Department because my hand is in my pocket hand out so I know everybody's safe I don't know me I don't know you but yeah you have a gun he has a gun he has a weapon do with it my hand's not near my gun so all I'm asking I don't have a weapon it doesn't matter so you should be able to call people you should be able to talk to people to have their hand in their pocket no that's not and once if you want me to Pat it and then I can be sure there's nothing in okay well but then I'm not going to speak to you till I know what's going on of course the police officers were outraged that the citizen knew knew and defended his rights and conducted a completely unlawful search on him on security reasons what this policeman persistently fails to realize is that this is a public place and people can record it in accordance with the law as long as they do not obstruct anything it is also unacceptable that the police as a result of their power and ego are so persistently defending what they do not know and trying to portray someone who is not a threat to them as dangerous so what's the deal with is is he here for any testing we don't know okay he's just walking around recording I even asked him if he refused okay can I get your name and badge number please sure it's Sergeant Deon my name is d a y n138 Sergeant Deon I'm my name is Sean I'm an independent journalist I'm working on a story here at the Motor Vehicle Commission for what do you have their per like do you have their permission to be here did you supervisor I don't need their permission to be here this is public property it's not public property in that sense it is public property it's public property if you're here to conduct business if not they can tell people they don't want to service them or they can't be on the prop they can't do that yes they can they can't do that you're wrong I've spoken to the the motor vehicle Comm we're going to go speak to their supervisor since they're on their way we'll find out if they don't want you on the property you can go film from off their property this is public property sir not public proper public property public so everybody can come here DMV government property is public the way you're they don't want you government property is public proper making them uncomfortable they don't want you here so you can kick me out of your police station can I if I have to or if there's a problem if I'm recording recording what if I'm recording inside okay then so I can sit here and record this that but that's my department that's it's not your department it's the people's department they are saying they don't want you on the property that's going to be their decision to sign complaints against you and do that that's fine I mean that's where we'll take it since you don't want to and you'll be violating my rights and then I'm going to hold you accountable I promise you that I will hold the Motor Vehicle Commission accountable whoever why are your officers so scared why do they scared no but why why do your officers come up to me and say get your hand out of your pocket get your hand and then try and go into my pocket she attempted to go inside of my pocket I had to back away from her but nobody went in your pocket away from you sir cuz I was Sir Sir you should listen you should really get another job if you're going to be so scared not if you're going to be so scared you you should get scared if you should get if you're going to be so scared you should get another job man maybe work at a bank or something where's the where's your guys where's this supervisor that runs us so we can decide whether they want him here or not yeah whether you're going to get a lawsuit or not that's that's that's cuz you don't care cuz you're not going to pay it it's not about that if they're telling you how long have you how long have you been a law enforcement offic that you're scared I'm not scared of anything you're scared of me my hands in my pocket I am scared because people have things in their pocket sometimes that are dous ridiculous ridiculous and then the most people that don't they say sure check my pocket and we move on in all the years you've ever been a law enforcement officer have you ever seen have you ever seen someone commit a crime and while they're filming yes oh my abut ridiculous you're lying people have phones they film everything you're asking me a question I have seen film things and what they're doing is a crime and they get charged later or charged during it and sometimes it's used for evidence I don't know what to tell oh oh yes I've seen those too they're they're called Law Enforcement Officers body cameras that's what they're called you're asking me you're right Law Enforcement Officers body cameras is the one that films she went to go get them sir you have your ID on you I didn't commit a crime so I won't be handing that over today okay what what is your name sir I I told the sergeant my first name Sean can you tell me your last name cuz you I gave you my last name oh no no no I just don't give out any private information unless I've been suspected of committing a crime I he said you committed a crime he said you is if they that they don't want you on the property any longer or you're causing a disturbance to the business and what they're doing you're going to have to go that's what we said we never said you were committing a crime well you asked for ID so I just want to make sure if I was committing a crime cuz I don't hand ID unless I'm committing a crime sir you're going to get run over by a car I'm not scared like you ma'am oh okay all right when we going to be on YouTube I don't know yeah I don't know couldn't tell you okay you got to edit it first right not this part not this part no you don't you don't have to edit it one of the parts of me walking around not doing anything but the parts of you guys acting this way that's going to be scared of scared okay yeah let me go uh yeah make sure you speak to the boss of make sure you speak to the boss of the entire Motor Vehicle Commission so that way they don't make any errors what's the name of your group you'll figure all that out copers no that's what it's called I train police departments oh you do yeah oh cool where at police departments come on to my my Channel at their Police Department yeah I'll send you the video you got an email I'll send you the video name name something oh yeah sure can but I could send you the video of me training police I could I could send you the video of me of working I work with the police what department I just don't work with tyrants and people who are scared yeah and people who are scared of to and try and bully people you like to bully people no no no you came up to me and told me to take my hand out of my pocket that's you bullying me I think you're bullying all of us no you came up to me and told me to take my hand out of my pocket that part will be C no this whole interaction between you guys oh the whole man you got out of your car and tried to act super aggressive I don't know if you're overcompensating because you're I don't know what you're doing no they're not no one's scared I didn't come no one's scared of my actions came here to Har no one is no one's scared of my actions you're here to protect and serve the public correct yes I'm serving and protecting them from you from me from a camera afraid of you ma'am you're afraid of me are you afraid of me ma'am was afraid of you you're afraid of me that's what I didn't come here on my own Merit I came here because we were called here you came here is scared okay that's fair enough you no one's scared of me ma' you came here for a call right I'm here exercising a constitutionally protected activity that's your job to uphold that that's your job to uphold that I'm not harassing you I think your logic is floyed you came up to me and said get your hand out of your pocket the video will speak for itself okay the video will speak for itself you came up to me and said get your hand out of your pocket I didn't say ma'am take that gun off your holster did I okay sir for my safety take that gun off your holster immediately right I didn't say that cuz that would be what escalating and we need to deescalate the situation not escalate it got man with his hand in his pocket I'm scared ma'am take your hand out your pockets please take your hands out your pockets it's a safety concern for me see how ridiculous it sounds okay sir gotcha the sergeant is speaking with a supervisor of the Motor Vehicle Commission hopefully they don't make a big mistake here officer what's so wrong with someone taking pictures and video in public what's wrong about that what's what's scary about it apparently I guess you went inside the building you record people oh yeah I've done it before I've done it before in the in New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission and law enforcement came out and they got educated and everybody we learned that this is a constitutionally protected activity and we went about our day and it wasn't a big deal there's nothing wrong with taking pictures in public it's called holding government trans government accountable exercising a First Amendment right be a group no a group I don't have a group I'm by myself I'm not part of a group no but you say you're a journalist I what I'm independent G to publish this under what independent I means I'm B for myself correct sir yeah there there's various sources where I publish various sources I don't think it's a big deal to you know you should respect them my rights right you guys took Oaths right when you to when you went into the when you finished your Academy you put your hand like this or you put it on the Bible right and you took an oath to uphold the United States Constitution from both enemies foreign and domestic right took an oath i' take that seriously I didn't take one but I take it very seriously we the people deserve to exercise our rights peacefully I wasn't being disrespectful to anyone here until someone came up to me and started you know screaming for me to take my hand out of my pocket and attempt to go in my pocket but other than that I was you did it's on camera it's fine that's why cameras are amazing I'm not you are you're a tyrant you're not a bully you're a tyrant officer you're a tyrant I'm I came here to expose you you've been exposed officer Maloney and my job is complete now you've been exposed as a tyrant I should pull all your body camera footages and and post them all over and see see what we can find cuz I have a real bad feeling that you're a tyrant you've done this before you violated people's rights before I guarantee you okay I'll go to your apartment right after the right after this and record and request all your body camera footage got it now review it for We the People okay sir supposed to treat the public with respect courtesy respect you're not supposed to treat the public the way you are can you do me a favor I'm over here talking to my partner I can't interrupt my conversation I don't I don't want to interrupt your conversation step away from me you want to film over there film me but don't get any closer to me I'm speaking to my partner it has nothing to do with you right now every everything that you're talking about to do with you everything that you're talking about in public is my business closer to me thank you everything that you're talking about is my business sir closer to Sir this is public property like I told you before if you want to have a private conversation I suggest you go I suggest you have go in private and have that conversation sir Sean I don't know about your 10 followers or whatever you have on your line but don't you you don't have any business in my conversation you're a tyrant sir and I like I said if you have a conversation you would like to have your tens and tens of followers My tens and tens of followers very aprofessional Sergeant I'll be issuing a formal complaint against you and your officer and officer Maloney I will be and the people will hold you accountable I promise you that the tens and tens of followers and subscribers are you the one that said uh losers out the window what's your name and badge number we don't have badge number would you like my computer number you need to Cal down down and go learn about some professionalism you're going to hear from my lawyer I can't wait since police officers have high Authority they sometimes have difficulty in dealing with their egos and may display unprofessional behavior towards citizens who know their rights in this video we will look at a similar example a man and his wife are driving down the road when they are pulled over for a violation for failing to Signal 30 m before they were supposed to according to the police since the police do not have the technology to make precise judgments on this issue we can assume that they measured the violation of this distance with their eyes almost using a ruler in the first seconds of the video you will see that the main reason for the police stop is not the violation but the words he thinks were spoken to him this police officer may be the best example of the ego that Authority gives to a person hey is there a problem yeah this St told you I explain to you got your license registration proof insurance would you pull this over for hey bud I got a question are you the one that said uh losers out the window as you drove by I don't answer questions okay yeah that was definitely you um and that is loud and boisterous conduct upon a public roadway that's public disorderly conduct here's my last so that's what you pulled us over for is you thought you heard somebody say something that one over there Mr I don't answer questions you're Hey listen here you idiot you work for us you're public service you're supposed to be professional not me I don't have a code of conduct to go by you do okay name and badge number we don't have badge numbers bu yeah that's a lie what's your name and badge number we don't have badge numbers would you like my computer number why did he give me a number and you can't cuz he gave you his computer number bud it's 14 you need to calm him down you need to calm down and go learn about some professionalism okay you're going to hear from my lawyer I can't wait this is an illegal Style you have to witness a traffic violation or suspect us of a crime yeah I was going to say would you like to hear the traffic viol Yes actually I would yeah because we wasn't speeding we don't have any lights out didn't do anything wrong this is retaliatory stop for something that you thought you heard no no by the way lights are required 1 hour before dusk just half why oh yeah I can't wait this is going to be great why don't you get your supervisor over here I'm not required to you can ask for one I'm asking for one that's what I just did okay yeah you can ask for one yeah I'm asking for a supervisor matter of fact get Lieutenant C out here 619 220 on the Grimes yeah who Lieutenant c i I don't work for lieutenant c i yes you do you work for the sheriff's office he is your supervisor get him out here he's not my supervisor okay you're going to learn son sir are you're not going to get a supervisor right here 1th yeah it's all up to date I just am a little frazzled there are you not getting a supervisor out here I'm not okay cool your down hey write your information down on your information your information don't you're a public servant write your information down would you like to go up a copy of the general Sheriff's Office I'm not required to give you I don't have to do anything you work for me I don't work for you record right there okay you again what who are you Thomas what do you mean come over here and talk to you I don't have to talk to you yes you do says who let me finish okay they're calling and saying that you're creating a traffic Hazard over here what are you doing really yes really that's why I'm here they're I'm not here playing around okay I'm not here playing around either okay what's the reason what's your name and badge number Thomas Thomas t h o m a s 421 421 that's my badge all right you're dismissed Thomas oh I'm not dismissed yeah you are I know you're being detained right now for what what crime did I commit of traffic Hazard they're calling it in and you're not wanted here that's how the I'm on public I'm not on their property what are you doing here none of your business it is no it's not if I'm getting calls for this it is my business where's your supervisor right here are you the supervisor yeah he's the supervisor you're not going to correct her here go ahead no problem will you let her know that I have the right to record right here yeah what you doing stuff I'm just just recording man it's not my fault that they didn't like it I didn't say you going record okay huh but when we have call you're dismissed I'm not dismissed byebye cuz you're not you're dismissed I am damn Gina okay so you can record all you want do whatever you want but here's the thing we have an issue okay don't obstruct the trucks that are coming in don't I don't know if you were coming in the middle of the street I don't know I'm not here to take s however you do need to stay away from their path travel okay onto the property do what you got to do record however you want all right just do not impat the truck ners are coming in here and don't don't impede the traffic that's coming in okay don't forget to tie your shoes I don't have to tie thank you very much okay any other questions you are dismissed actually I'm not dismissed I have a job to do and yep that's what I thought bye I hope you're getting paid Bye Felicia oh I am getting paid just to let you know you can find links to the original videos in the description take care stay safe