When I walked up, he said, "She just killed her kids, man. You better get her out of here." >> I've been here before with CPS on an investigation over here with the kids, and they wouldn't let them in. >> Every time. Go. You keep moving them. Stop. No, you're doing it. Boo. >> How many I need to ask you. I hate to ask you this cuz it's, you know, hurts, but how many times did you shoot each one of them? This is Tiffany Lucas, a mother of two young boys living in a quiet suburban neighborhood in Shephardd'sville, Kentucky. To the outside world, her life seemed perfectly normal. But on the morning of November 8th, 2023, a storm that had been brewing behind closed doors would finally erupt, shattering the peace of this small town forever. County 911. Where is your emergency? >> 219 Bentwood Drive, Shepardsville, Kentucky 40165. Uh my neighbor just came up to my door and just passed out and I can't get her to wake up. She >> Okay. Is she >> breathing? She is. >> How old is she? >> I would say in her early 30s. And now she's screaming that the kids are dying. Stay here. >> She is breathing. Yes. >> Do you know if she has any medical history? >> I have no idea. >> She just started screaming that her kids are dying. >> Her kids are dying. >> I don't know. I don't care though. I don't care. I just don't I feel like over anyone else. She's drinking some water. It's okay. Can you set up? Just stay right there. Okay. It's okay. I promise we've got you. That her kids are something is What's wrong with the kids? Something's wrong with the kids. That her kids are in in danger in the house. She said, "I would >> the kids are dying something. I don't know. I don't know. But yes, I would please send police. Please ASAP. She She is clearly on something. My husband is in her house trying to find her kids cuz she said they were dying. She just said they're dead. This is 911. >> Yes. Uh next to 219 Drive. My wife's on the phone. The kids I just waited in our neighbor's house. The kids on the bed. He's all bloody. >> There's a kid on the bed all bloody. >> Yeah. In the neighbor's house. She told us that [ __ ] he's okay. He's breathing but he's >> but at 219. >> It's next to 219 >> to the left or the right if you're looking at the street. >> All right. It be the left hand side. It's okay buddy. You okay? You >> So 233. It's okay. You okay? >> Do we know what happened to him? >> I have no idea. We just found our neighbor. a woman. Their mom's just >> Okay. >> freaking out my yard. >> Okay. And how old is he? >> Uh oh my god. He's uh I don't know. He's probably six. There's blood on the bed. There's a gun. >> Oh my god. >> Was he shot? >> I can't I don't see a gunshot. >> Hey, buddy. He's a He's got blood on his face. I don't see a gunshot on him. >> Is he breathing? >> Yes, he is breathing. >> He's breathing. >> I know it's a lot. Take a deep breath. Okay. Take a deep breath. >> Okay. There's two of them. They're both here. They're breathing. >> There's two children. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And you cannot find a gunshot wound on him? >> I cannot find a gunshot wound. There's a case in here, though. >> I don't know if I should roll him over. He's breathing. >> Um, if you would like to. I I don't know. The dispatcher's final words hung in the air, a chilling premonition of the horror that awaited. Within minutes, the first deputies arrived on Bentwood Drive, stepping out into a scene of unfolding tragedy. their every move captured. That's probably conscious. She conscious. Ma'am, what's your name? >> Huh? >> I can't hear you. Tiffany. >> Tiffany. >> Mhm. >> All right, Tiffany. I'm going to change these handcuffs out. Okay. And then I'm going to roll you over. I'm going to sit you up. All right. Move everything. >> You got your handcuffs on. Now I'm going to pick your hands up so you can take these off. Do not struggle. Do you understand me? Okay. Now, I want you to listen to me. I'm going to take this arm. You're going to roll this direction. Okay? You're going to sit up at the same time. You understand? One, two, three. Take this leg, fold it in, make that foot touch your knee. over to the side on the ground. Now, we're going to roll again this way and I'm going to assist you up on your feet. Okay. >> Mhm. Ready? 1 2 3. Have you taken anything? Have you been drinking? >> Then why can't you stand up? I don't feel >> just don't feel like it. Huh? I >> said I don't feel right. >> Don't feel right. Okay. I guess we'll put her in my car and when EMS gets done in there, they can come over and check her out. >> We do have another squad coming, but they're coming from quite a distance. So, just trying to see who can get here first. >> Got them to be transported. >> What's up? >> She's saying she ain't feeling right either. She's breathing. >> She's alert. >> No, leave it. >> It's somewhere in there, but they moved everything. EMS is fine. There's nobody else in the house. >> Yeah, we need I got her in my car. She's handcuffed in my car. >> All right. Um, detectives are on the way. So, >> say we still got to pat her down. She got on a dress. I don't think she has a weapon, but when we get a check, we can get her back out and let her pat her down real quick while that's fine. She's locked in there though. >> So if you if you can throw all that on couch >> the scene's in there, right? >> Yeah. Better I believe. >> I was say I had to go back and do the report. That's 81. You hear him out there? >> Huh? >> You hear him out there? >> I hear him out there. >> That woman's in the other side of the car. >> Oh, you got her. >> Yeah, she's in my car. >> She wasn't injured. I didn't see any injuries on her. >> Looks like she peed herself. >> Yeah, she probably herself. >> I've been here before with CPS on an investigation over here, the kids, and they wouldn't let them in. >> It's been about a year, but yeah, >> that's the only time I've ever had to come back here for anything other than paperwork. subpoenas and stuff. >> 8137. >> All right, EMS go check you out. All right, take this off of step out for me so I can check you out. You want him to sit on the bed or what? >> Yeah. Sit down right there. >> Which way you want to be? That way. >> Sit right there. Pull that head up for us. >> There you go. Sit down right there. Turn your feet that way. >> All right. Are you hurting anywhere? >> Where you? >> Huh? >> I need to get >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to ask him something real quick. Can you answer me? Do you have any weapons on you? >> No. >> Mad at her? >> When I walked up, he said she just killed her kids, man. You better get her out of here. >> Okay. >> They got some other motion going on like being pregnant, too. >> I like you. Go ahead and come with me. >> Hop in this car. >> I'll put the AC on high for 251. I believe it's going to be off. We're still trying to find it. I think it's new construction. We're going in over here. Watch the rocks. You tenderfooted? This is just a wand. Okay. It's just to to check you. You got anything on you? Nothing. Just the handcuffers. Yep. They're just picking up the handcuffs and ankle bracelet. You got a necklace, huh? Earrings. I shot myself. >> Huh? Huh? >> I shot myself in the head. >> You what? >> Shot in my ear. >> You shot yourself in here? >> What's here? >> I don't see anything. There's no >> there's nothing there. >> Okay. Okay. Uh where you >> We're going to take her back to the interview room. I got to go in and turn it on. So we going wait till I get there and that way we can we can view her and just keep an eye on her. Okay. >> Hey John, is it getting hot in there? You need a fan? >> No, we're good. You good? Are you hot? You need a fan? Is it warm or anything? Not warm. Okay. >> Can you stop? >> Can I stop? What? >> All that. >> What's that? >> What? Flexing my joints. >> Yeah, you keep showing me your fingers. And >> I'm not showing you fingers. I'm sitting here all myself. Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath. Take a deep breath. Come on up. Sit up. Sit up. Sit up. Sit. Sit up. You all right? Sit up. Sit up. Sit up. What's going on? >> H. >> What's going on? >> Sit up. Sit still. Take a deep breath. Just take a deep breath for me. In your nose and out your mouth. Do it again. Take deep breath for me. Do it again. Take some deep ones. You're okay. >> Okay. >> You good? All right. Take a deep breath. I don't want you to fall over again. Are you all right? Okay. There'll be somebody in to talk to you in a few minutes. >> Just stop. >> Stop. >> Move your fingers. >> That's me. >> I'm watching you on camera. Move your fingers. >> You're watching >> several times. Yeah. >> Move my fingers. How? >> Every time. Go. You keep moving them. Stop. >> You mean changing my hand positions and stuff? That's just me. >> No, you're doing it. Boo. >> Don't do that. >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah, you are. I'm watching. >> So, what is that doing for you? >> It's not right. Stop. >> What's not right? >> You. >> How's it not right? >> Look. It's on a camera. >> I know. There's a camera. I'm wearing a camera. >> Okay. >> Okay. See, >> I don't sit still. >> Yeah. Every time a noise is in the background, your fingers are moving. >> I move. That's what I do. I don't sit still. >> To every sound you move. >> Mhm. >> To every sound >> you move. >> Mhm. I do. I don't sit still at all. My hands move. Everything moves. >> So, every footstep that you hear, >> you move your fingers. >> I'm not an idol person. I don't move around. >> So, you walk to other people's footsteps then cuz that's what you're doing. >> Mhm. >> You're walking to everyone else's. How do you know that? >> How do I know what >> other people's steps? >> Cuz I hear them out there. >> So, you mark them. >> So, I can mark them. You mark all your steps >> as far as explain. >> Look, everywhere you make, you move a finger. >> Mhm. >> Is that how you're supposed to be? >> That's how I am. >> Is that how everyone is? >> That's how I am. She claims I move. I told her I don't I'm not a person that sits still. I move constantly. >> Yeah. I'm I've got that jittery. I'm always having to move. [Music] See, soon as you walked in. >> I don't know. >> Why is it doing that? >> My phone. >> As soon as you walk in the door. >> That's weird, right? >> It's weird. >> It's weird. As soon as people walk, sounds. That's not right. >> No. Can you shut this? >> See? See? >> Huh? >> Can we shut this? >> It's not right. >> See, >> not for right now. >> Every time I say something, your phone's going off. I'm believe me I wish it wasn't going off. Can you tell me a little bit about yourself? I mean, where are you from or where you grew up or anything like that? >> I know I look crazy, but I'm not. >> Huh? >> If I know I look crazy, but I'm not crazy. >> I don't think you look crazy. I'm just trying to, you know, I would, if I'm going to talk to someone, I'd rather know who they are. You know, I can tell you a little bit about me. >> I love my children. >> You tell me a little bit about you. Okay. >> I love my children. I love my boys so much. I wouldn't hurt them, but I just feel like I I didn't I felt back and I I didn't I was letting them play the video games and I wasn't like focusing how I was supposed to, you know, and they get that video game and the YouTube and the kids. It just messes their minds up to where people can manipulate their parents or do whatever they want. And I feel like someone put something upon my house or me or something like >> I just don't feel right. I've not like it's been I don't do this. I love my hair. [Music] >> Are you from area? >> Where are you from? >> I'm from Chicago area. >> How long you been here? >> Like 11 years. >> Okay. >> 1257. >> How did you end up coming to Louisville? >> I just came. >> I'm sorry. I just came. >> Oh, just decided to move. >> I'm going to let you know what your rights are. Okay. Now, you probably watch TV before and movies and TV shows and they ring your rights. It's called Miranda. Okay. It's called Miranda warnings. >> Okay. It's your rights. It Miranda rights. >> Okay. So, I'm going to read them off to you and if you have any questions, you let me know. Okay. You may remain silent. Anything you do say may be used against you in court or or other proceedings. Understand so far? Okay. Hey, Tiffany, do you understand what I read to you right here? Yes or no? You got to speak up. Shaking your head. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. Do you want to sign this for me? >> H. >> What is that about? >> What's that? What do you mean? The stuff I have here, that's my phone, pens, notebooks, handcuffs. Earlier you said something about PlayStation games or something. >> Yeah. >> What about it? >> I just feel like those games manipulate the children, you know, the YouTube and just haven't you ever heard anything like that before? >> I mean, yeah. Like I really feel like it is manipulating for the children and they get into the children's homes and you know break the families up. That's what I feel. >> I mean you could be right. >> I am right. >> Yeah. And I know I'm right and you do too. >> Yeah. >> You do. >> I mean >> you just know >> the stuff that's on the internet that you have access to now is terrible. >> It's terrible for the kids and they need to stop. Like my kids are beautiful angels, you know, and >> Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's almost impossible to keep it away from them. You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. But what do you >> Were they misbehaving earlier? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Do you? >> They're perfect. >> They are. Do you know what happened to him today? >> Can you talk to me about that? >> I just did. >> Hm. >> I just did. >> Well, you said something about the PlayStation and YouTube and all that, which makes sense. I understand. I feel like someone tried to manipulate me through my phone, you know, manipulate me through my house, doing stuff to me. >> What are they doing to you? >> Manipulating my mind. >> Parker Borders. >> Hm. >> His name is Parker Borders. >> What about him? Um, he lives in Bardstown and I'm pretty sure he's been manipulating my mind for like three years >> really >> through my phone, putting up things in my house, like real evil, dark, weird stuff like trying to >> like trying to get you to do things. >> Yeah. Like alter my mind. Like completely like flip me like I'm a woman of God. I don't do >> Yeah. You don't you don't hit hurt your children, you protect them. And I feel like I have to protect my children, >> right? >> How do you pro protect them from a problematic ser in the system? How do you how do you really serve? People aren't serving these days. Money is everything. It's not. I'll lose it all. I don't care. >> I don't care. >> For my kids, I don't care. I just don't I You just You just don't do that. I'm very certain. Don't look my kids in the eye like, you know, I love my kids. >> I know you do. >> I would never do something like this unless someone manipulated me. >> So, do you think Parker actually manipulated you into hurting your kids? Think so. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Did he actually tell you in person or is it >> Well, he controls my phone. All my bills are in his name. Like he has too much access to me, you know? So, I feel like you manipulated my mind, you know. >> Mhm. >> I would never hurt my children. >> Who is this Parker guy to you? Just a friend or >> like a sugar daddy type thing. >> Feel like it was portrayed off of revenge or something like that? >> Right. Before I had a friend who was with him and she mysteriously passed away in a car wreck and then now in my house you'll see there's like things like my car is going to get blown up. All these weird little like how stuff is all set up funny, you know, in my house like that. So I just feel uncomfortable. I don't know. Feel like he I feel like it's him. It's not me. It's not me. I'm right with God. So I know it's not me. I know. It's not in my mind. >> Yeah. >> It's not me. It just isn't. Do you think um did he provide you with a with a firearm? With a gun? >> Yes, it was his. So that gun that was I guess in the house in the bedroom or whatever, that's his gun. >> Yes. >> Why' he give it to you? >> I don't know. >> How long ago did he give it to you? You remember? Like years, months, days? When? >> I don't know. >> Don't remember. >> Been a while. >> Been a while. M what do you uh what do you remember him telling you in your mind to do or persuading you to do? >> I don't I just don't know. He just, you know, it's just happened once before. like I got like a weird feeling like it just felt weird and then here recently I just felt weird. I'm not like I'm a good mom. Like I'm a really good woman. I'm a good I'm a mother, you know. >> Mhm. >> I have veneers and everything. >> I'm sorry. >> I said I have veneers and everything. I don't look like this. >> Okay. Um, do you remember um hurting your sons today? I mean, you you remember, but I'm not saying it's you. >> It's not me. >> It's not you. Like, >> I know it's not me. I would never hurt my children, >> right? He's influencing you. >> Manipulating. >> Manipulating is the best word. through the phones, Wi-Fi, all of that. >> Now, once he manipulated you and pushed you into doing this, what do you remember firing a weapon at them today? I mean, you remember that, right? Do you know how many times you shot to pull the trigger today? No. Let me ask you this. Did you after you hurt your sons by with a gun, did you think they had passed away or do you think they was just wounded and would be okay? Cuz they're both okay. They're both Neither one of them passed away. But what did you think? Did you think you had killed them? I just don't know. I have no words. Now, you went you went next door to knock on the neighbor's door to get help, right? Okay. And I guess you've spoke to those people before. You kind of know them. Kind of not maybe not real good, but you spoke to them, right? Okay. What was you when you went over there, what were you going over there for? Just to ask for help? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I'm guessing since you were going over there to ask for help, you had saw that your sons had been injured, right? Were bleeding. You saw that, right? I mean, it's it I know it's a hard thing to think about and I know it wasn't you. I know that's not you. I mean, you're being manipulated as you said. I understand that. But physically, you're the one who pull the trigger. Even though that's not you and somebody else is pushing you to do that or manipulating you to do that, you pull the trigger on the weapon. Is that correct? It's not correct. >> How did your sons get shot then? Huh? >> I just don't know. >> You don't know? >> I have no words. How long after your boys were got hurt? How long did was it did you immediately go next door to ask for help or did you wait for a while or what? And I know he was manipulating you and all that and I believe what you're saying. I know that. I know you're not trying to lie to me, but do you think it was an accident today or did you mean to shoot him? Because if you think about it really there would only if you think about it there would only be I guess two ways of thinking from something like that that it's an accident. You didn't want to hurt him. you didn't mean to hurt him or you're the bad mom who wants to hurt him. Sorry, it's too late. I don't know. Um, I don't think you're the bad mom that wanted to hurt him. So, you think it was which one? Do you think it was an accident that you hurt him today? Do you Let me ask you this. Do you think talking will help instead of holding it in? I mean, what do you think? How's your feelings on that? Some people say, you know, talk it out. It helps. >> I've told you everything. >> You know, your sons have been shot. You know that. How many I need to ask you. I hate to ask you this because it's, you know, hurts, but how many times did you shoot each one of them? Multiple times, one time, two times, what? I mean, I'm sorry I have to have you. I really am. But I got I mean, I had to. I got to. Sorry. >> I have no words. >> Hm. I have no words. >> You don't know how many times you shot him. So, I guess you did. You just keep pulling the trigger until it was empty or what? >> No. >> I just don't have anything to say right now. >> I need to know what you did with that gun. I don't want it to get in the wrong hands. If you took it and threw it and hid it somewhere or threw it in the woods or something like that. I don't want a kid to get a hold of it. And you don't want that either. I know you don't. >> Do you Do you know where it's at? Do you know where that gun's at? >> No. Everyone been in my house. >> Did you take it? What I'm saying is, did you take it outside the house and go throw it somewhere and hide it or throw it away? Did you just leave it there on the bed in the bedroom? It's an important question. You got to answer me. Did you just leave it in the bedroom? You shook your head. Yes or is it yes or no? Did you Did you leave it in the bedroom? If you left it there, then we'll find it. If you threw it in the woods somewhere, some kid's going to find it. That's what we're concerned about. Did you leave it in the bedroom? Yes. >> How many times did you pull the trigger today? >> I didn't. I don't want to talk anymore. I don't have nothing else to say. >> Okay. All right. Well, relax for a minute. Okay. You okay? Okay. Just make sure you make sure you breathing. Crying's okay, but Do what? You want to talk about something? >> No. Okay. >> Did anybody spend the night with you and your kids last night? Huh? Did somebody spend the night with you and your kids last night? Yes or no? Hey, I know you can hear me. Yes or no? >> I'm not sure. I I don't know. I feel like he's been living in the house with me. I don't know. It's been so weird. >> Yeah. >> I was trying to like get him out of there. I don't know what is going on. >> Parker was in the house today. Hey, answer. Answer me. Parker was in the house today or last night or what? >> I don't. >> Huh? >> I don't entirely know. >> You don't know? I don't entirely know. >> You don't know if he was in the house today? >> No. I feel like he's been playing with my mind like coming and going like >> Well, that's fine. But did you actually see him? Did he show up today into your house? >> Huh? Yes or no? >> No. >> Huh? Yes or no? No. >> No. >> Okay. There's anybody else in your house today other than you or your kids? >> No. >> Do you need anything? >> You got water, you seal them. Everything's You need anything else? >> Do you? >> Hm. >> Do you? >> Don't you I mean, don't you trust me enough to where I mean, we've gotten along pretty good today. Don't you trust me enough that you can talk? Open up. >> That's all I can say. I don't know what you >> No, I'm I was just asking you what's on your mind. That's all. >> Hm. Just lay your head back down. Be still too. Okay. Help me. Oh, what is going on? >> In the end, the evidence presented in court was overwhelming. The 911 calls, the body camera footage of the scene, and Tiffany's own conflicting statements painted a clear picture for the jury. She was found guilty of the murder of her two sons. She was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. But for the investigators and the community, the verdict did not answer the most haunting question. Why? No clear motive was ever definitively established. At the scene, detectives discovered drug paraphernalia, raising questions about her state of mind at the time of the killings. Friends would later describe a conflicting portrait of Tiffany. Some saw a loving parent, while others noted a recent history of increasingly erratic behavior. This behavior, court records suggest, escalated during a contentious custody battle with the children's father, who did not live at the residence. What is known is this. Two young boys were found in their bedroom, both shot in the head. Their lives were ended by their mother in an act of unimaginable violence. The case of Tiffany Lucas serves as a dark and disturbing reminder that the most devastating storms can often rage behind the most ordinarylooking doors, leaving behind a silence that justice alone can never truly fill.