on March 19th 2024 a Nashville metropolitan police department officer on patrol stopped a vehicle without Reasonable Suspicion and began questioning it about why it was there the incident was captured on the police body [Music] cam go for it0 Victor at 801 Royal hello ma'am hello I'm Ops Metro we're just wondering what you doing here I don't answer questions okay why not I have a right not to okay well look I'm you do let me explain a few things okay I'm a police officer right okay this is my area this is my zone I'm here all the time Heritage yes and I'm here in this particular parking lot quite often and I just don't usually see a Jeep here uhhuh and I was just wondering what you're do it's weird to me there's a Jeep here that's usually not here that's why I'm making contact with you I'm not if you're not doing anything wrong we got nothing to worry about obligated to help you with your investigation you are obligated to talk to me as a police officer okay citizens have the right to remain silent and are generally not required to speak with the police especially if they are not under arrest or detained this right established by the Fifth Amendment of the US Constitution to avoid self-incrimination allows individual uals to choose whether to cooperate with law enforcement during interactions while cooperation is often encouraged and can be beneficial it is not an absolute legal obligation in all circumstances for instance during routine encounters like traffic stops individuals may be required to provide basic information such as identification and vehicle documents but can opt not to answer additional questions it is possible that in a court of law the judge would find no problem with the citizen exercising her right not to cooperate finding what the police in the video referred to as Reasonable Suspicion not valid I have the right to ask you simple questions as yes you do what are you doing here I have a right to refuse to answer them okay thank you then I have a right to ask for your ID for what reason because you're refusing to cooperate with me so you want to do something punitive to me you want to punish me I just want to figure out who you are on video right you just told me that nope you said because I didn't want to do what you wanted that that's you were going to punish me I did not those are your words not mine that's exactly what happened you know this goes a lot easier if we just are nice with each other it would be why don't you leave me alone I'm not doing anything wrong so then tell me what you are doing here it's none of your business do you it really is not any of yours you I'm not breaking a law okay now you can do your investigation but I'm not going to Aid you in it period okay thank you well you do understand that because you're here I have no idea who you are and why you're here you don't need to I have the right to detain I'm on private property well detained is the same as arrested so what am I arrested for detained this means you can't basically nope it is you don't go in handcuffs and you're detained what am I detained for what crime because you're refusing to cooperate with me or not you ever I don't have to I don't have to communicate with you I don't have to cooperate with just tell me what you're doing here all all this is about your business okay yeah well then let me see your driver's license for what cause cuz I don't because you don't I don't answer your question because I have a reason you want my driver's license I have a reason to believe that you are here you're not supposed to be here what that is it's called reasonable what's the reason because because I'm in a parking lot yes you are normally going any private parking lot and harass people that's not what I'm doing that's exactly what you're doing are your words you're pouting cuz not getting your way so you're going for my ID like a [ __ ] I have a right to ask for anyone's ID I come in contact with you can you can ask anything okay can you step out of the car for me for what you're not going to be placing handcuffs but you are being detained for what I would feel more comfortable if you Ste out of the car okay for what step out of the car you're not going to arrest me so why going to car I need you get out of the car for what reason we can have a conversation please get your supervisor we need to have a conversation we need to talk to your supervisor and we can make that happen get your supervisor please call your supervisor I will do that once you hand me your ID I'll make that deal with you please call your supervisor ma'am I need to know who you are please call your supervisor is this person here related with you why are you being so difficult with me it's not difficult I'm not obligated to do your investigation I don't care about your investigation I'm sitting here trying to be in a parking lot mhm and you're [ __ ] with me I'm not have I told you anything wrong have I told you anything bad have I said anything everything that's bad has happened from your words not mine hey Moss is he with her yeah hey sir I'm officer Leonard me and my partner were in body cameras look she's being extremely difficult with me I'm just trying to have a conversation with her okay I can't help look let me just tell you why we're here this is my area okay there's usually not a car parked here and I just wanted to speak with her and figure out what she was here why she's here that's all it's about she's refusing to answer my questions I'm here every night midnight at 1:00 okay do you clean the building no I'm here to pick this [ __ ] up and this right here and car it to KN okay every been doing this for 5 years okay do do you guys look I have ever I have no reason to believe that you're not telling me the truth okay all I need I promise you I just unlocked that door with this key you the key for the building yeah and got my [ __ ] okay this is my job okay and again people have a job thank I believe you I do too now understand from my point of view just being being the Zone officer I'm here all the time I normally don't see a car parked here it was just a little bit weird that's called what we call Reasonable Suspicion in my job okay when I have that I have the right to talk to people ask a couple questions figure out what's going on and as long as everything checks out we all go on our way that's all this is don't have to answer a single question that you ask WR no we don't have to answer your questions you do no as a police officer I have that Authority you can ask me anything you want but I'm not obliged to tell you anything okay do you have your ID on you can I please have it okay sir do you know who she is is she with you please do not I'm going to hang on this until I get hers so the sooner she gives me her ID the sooner we can all be on our way done nothing what's your suspicion now so he's explained everything to you so what are your suspicions about me as a police officer when I'm on a call and I have Reasonable Suspicion I have the right to ID everyone I'm talking to I don't I don't have to ID let me explain everything and stop interrupting me unless you charge me with a separate crime you cannot give me for failure to ID cuz it's none of your business the longer you interrupt me the longer we're going to be here all right don't talk to me like I'm a child well then don't act like one I'm not here we go again ready I have his ID because I have Reasonable Suspicion to talk to you I need your ID the sooner you give it to me the sooner we can all be on our way that's all this is call your supervisor okay give me your ID and I will can you call your supervisor please what's your name badge number of employee this is Officer of mos he's training he is training officer 40111 thank you are you guys Sovereign citizens or something is that what this is not not bowing to your wheel does not make somebody a and I believe you do you know why she's being so difficult with me I have my okay all I need is her ID on your business ma'am what's your ID where is it okay 17 Charles can you start me one more car 28 tennessy tag boy nor Queen 7683 tell me who that comes back to Sir look I'm being reasonable here I'm not trying to get anybody hemmed up for anything I just need to get her ID that's all it is that's all it is you've been Cooperative I appreciate that coach's fine he's got a lady who's maybe a sovereign citizen over here what's your definition of a sovereign citizen Sovereign citizen is someone who just doesn't cooperate with police they don't think they have to they think rules and laws don't apply to them they do I don't know why you think I'm in Sol it okay look can you give me your ID no why not it's none of your business overreach when you don't have any suspicion that I've committed a crime this has become 100% your ego Tennessee has laws about trespassing and loitering trespassing is entering someone's property without their permission while loitering is loitering in a way that makes makes people concerned about safety in the video the police officer asked for identification from people who were actually just doing their job and had permission to be there according to the law police can ask someone to leave private property if the owner asks them to or if the police have written permission but if the police do this without permission things can get messy in this case since it was already clear what the people the police considered suspicious were doing there they should have left the people doing their work alone and not harassed them further it's not this is all your ego can you verify that ma'am you understand that it's my policy of my department to identify anybody I come in contct I don't care about policy I care about law so it policy follows law I don't have to abide by your Department's policies I follows the state law I go by the law the law is I don't have to ID to you your policy doesn't mean [ __ ] to me ma'am you do understand that if you refuse to ID yourself I have to take you to jail if you want to to arrest me for a separate time you can arrest me that as a secondary charge but it's not a charge in itself there's no charge initially we're just having a encounter with you just to see what's going on and if you would just give me your ID I could ID you and get you out of here not yet cuz you haven't given me your ID I have asked over and over for supervis that's what they're for you've asked me twice ask you to will you call supervisor we'll call one in just a minute okay we'll call one in just a second and the longer she doesn't give me her ID the longer you're not going to do your job let me run your ID okay the officer in the video says he'll keep both individuals there until the woman shows her ID even though he already admitted that the man was working and had every right to be there this situation shows how things can get confusing especially when officers don't follow the rules they're supposed to it's frustrating to see these kinds of mistakes happening and it's important to highlight these issues so they can be addressed and fixed hey dude so we were just making rounds just area you know whatever we're making a round across the street 800 Royal yep I see this Jeep parked as it is and I was like oh that's weird I usually see a Jeep parked here yeah I initiated 40 Paul Victor go make contact with her she's like I don't have to answer your questions like detained right now so I told her she's detained while we're talking to her this gentleman comes out the door gives me his ID she's telling me she doesn't have to give me her ID that she can she doesn't have to cooperate with my investigation and I'm telling her the sooner she gives me her ID the sooner I can let her cut her loose and get her out of here she's she's just refusing yeah so she's demanding supervisor so okay yes yes ma'am okay so that's all it is is her car no I think it's his hey Todd is this your car it is okay um you want you want to try talking to her I'm gonna talk to him okay hey Todd real quick so you said you were inside the building I believe you you said you have the key is it one of those scan cards can you just show me it works and then we're good time most of the time it's a little earlier because I don't get caught up in this stuff here Wells real good I open it like that perfect here's your ID back look I'm not trying to cause any trouble I'm just I don't usually see a car here and I need her ID that's all it is I got to get her ID she she's she's driving for me right now had some issues I got pulled over up here at the light the other night y said I sitting in the middle of the road did with one three of those cars but anyway do you have any other reason why she'd be difficult with me like she's being do she have any warrants or anything like that she's not on papers or of any kind then why is she being difficult she's just that way it's it's about her rights and things okay she can you reason with her and and are able to give get her ID for me because the sooner I get her ID the sooner I can get you guys out of here the police have repeatedly stated that he believed that no crime has been committed here so if there is no crime if there is no Reasonable Suspicion how can the police still insist on identification the answer is simple the police are trying to establish authority over citizens who know their rights and they are pushing all doors to do so come need to get ID I'm you're interrupting I'm Sil ma'am me and Todd here we're fine but I need I need I need to get you ID we can be fine if I can get your ID that's all it is what what CL are you going to charge me with we've I've already gone over this with you twice and my partner here just explained it to you you're here private property state of Tennessee I do not have to give you my ID unless I'm charged with a separate crime that's not true being detained for a crime you're being detained for reasonable suspicion which means you do have to give me your ID no I don't yes it does Raz doesn't work in Tennessee well then you can be charged with resisting a stop no I haven't resisted any stop you're resisting right now you're on video I'm resisting your wants and wishes I'm going by the law sitting in the parking lot where nobody else is okay it's exactly and I've explained this to you both normally I don't see your car here me when you know what you give me your ID and I can get your ID we'll be out of here NP I have to do this I have to do this [ __ ] your ego okay it's not an ego thing it's a protocol it isn't it is no it's your protocol I asked for it but that doesn't mean I have to give it to you yes it does no yes it does call your supervisor what either arest for a separate crime do what you need to do so we need to you already know we've been talking this to death and you want him here because why you don't think you have you don't think [ __ ] so we need somebody better than you in charge okay that's what they're there for okay I'll get my supervisor in route thank you and it'll tell you the same thing I did hello hey um basically I was patrolling airport Center Royal Parkway just doing extra patrols and and I saw across the street in 801 Royal there's a Jeep just kind of hanging out in the parking lot of this like office building that I don't normally see so I rolled up on it initiate 40 Paul Victor start talking there's a woman in the driver's seat um I ask her what she's identify you know do the greeting tell her I'm recording she tells me she doesn't have to answer any my questions I tell her she does I ask her why she's being here she's just staring at me starts recording [Music] me um basically just being very resistant to my questions which was just to figure out why she's here while we're talking a guy comes out of the building he says he has a key to the building shows me it works it does I get him ID he gives me his ID right away he's got no history um she's basically just saying that because I mean I have reasonable suspicion that she's here doing something because there is normally not here I don't ever see this car here and uh I tell her I'm explaining that because I have Reasonable Suspicion I have the right to request her ID and she's like no you don't you only have the right to ID me if you charge me with this like a separate charge or something like that she has no idea what she's talking about and Malone's here now and he's explaining the same thing to her and she's just she's asked for a supervisor multiple times um and now she's demanding to come here because she needs someone here to can explain to her that I have the legal right to get her ID from her that's more smart than I am according to her so 801 Royal Parkway I haven't looked at that yet I can I mean the the guy told me that they're here they come here every night and they pick up a check or some items from inside and then they they leave which I have every reason to believe him because he showed me that his key card to the building works and he unlocked the building for me and it opened and all that stuff um but she's just refusing to give me any her ID correct uh he only has a single incident hold on and homes can you see for the trespass waiver 01 Royal I mean the thing is about trespass waivers is he's saying that he's saying that uh they're like they're supposed to be here and get the check which if that's true I mean he showed me he does have a check in his hand it's in an envelope and he he does have a key to the building so what he's saying is true so I can't I can't even think I don't think I can even get him for trespassing but I had no idea what it was when I got here and the reason right right he only has one moving violation his entire history I'm going to try tling him and see if I can get cuz he's no no but I have he's told me that this woman who's out here is his sister in which case if they are I might be able to ID through TLO she's just being very very difficult and I've asked her I'm like why you know why are you being difficult are you a sovereign Citizen and then she took that offensively she didn't know what a sovereign citizen was um and just it's it's just weird I mean I've I've been nothing but nice to her immediately she was like why are you trying to punish me and I told her I'm not trying to punish you and then she said you just told me you're trying to punish me and I said no I didn't you literally are the only one that said the word punished since I've been here like you're just putting words in my mouth I mean she's just playing the game so that's all it is and again I tried avoiding calling you but she's been persistent and request you multiple times 800 has one but not 801 so there's no trp waiver here no all right yeah there's no okay Serge is in route I think I might have found her hello hey real quick I've got her ID I found her through TLO um wait sorry hello yeah here hey I've got her ID um I found her through TLO and uh she's oh my God she she's got nothing in her history um she's just being it looks like she's just being difficult to be difficult so I'm going to explain that I've got her ided and now that I know why they're here like they're both free to leave since I got her ID but I mean I don't know if you still if I do that and she still wants to talk to you do you still want to respond or or how do you want to do this yeah yeah yeah I got you I'll go talk to her all right bye all right ma'am free to leave can you apolog I have no reason to apologize can you admit you were wrong that I wasn't wrong Ma I need you to understand that when a police officer has reasonable suspicion the LW States we have the we have the right to ID people no you don't or you would be doing it right now here's what I encourage you to do okay do it right now I I already have I've asked you for your ID at least 10 times and you've you've refused every time so and then you punitively detain me that's not that's because you know I'm that's not punitive so that's punitive I encourage you to look up the statute about that I encourage you to whenever you leave you're the one that's supposed to know and I do know then you're either lying to me or you're ignorant to it okay you choose which one looks you can believe whatever you want to believe that's fine I'm not going to tell you otherwise bye everybody are you and TOD are free to leave thank you I got I got her ID through T she's clean she's got absolutely no history she's just being difficult I was like she something going I mean that's how the Sovereign citizen yeah how' you they hist his relationships cuz I got his his he just gave me his ID pulled him up looked looked at the first person with the same last name that was around the same age yeah she she was the first person that pulled up easy enough Craig like I'm not coming up there no Craig just said just tell her she can leave and then if she just leaves and let him know what she is there you go that it's been a minute you'll be uh you'll be famous on YouTube yeah I know Hey sir she left the woman left the scene without further incident it is not known whether the woman filed a formal complaint against the police officers