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Elizabeth and Southern and he stopped
hey how you doing sir doing all right
how you doing awesome Sheriff's Office
so first off uh the what is that driver
sorry the driver rear light is out I'm
not sure if you're aware of that I'm not
no is this your vehicle this is my
father-in-law's father-in-law's okay
cool and then secondly you can't have
things hanging from the mirror and then
lastly uh it's in proper display by
having that little uh license plate
cover because then I can't see the
actual
registration okay does that make sense
yeah I I didn't put that I didn't put it
there I'm out all it so sorry this is
your father-in-law okay do you have your
idea on you my man uh yeah cool where
you headed uh just to a little event
what kind of event it's just like a
little get together thing little get
together thing whoa whoa you all right
man yeah I'm fine
cool
almost okay nothing I should be worried
about you reaching down there for no
okay sorry sir it's right
here
on on man what's your name Sean
Sean sorry and I'm uh Deputy vill Deputy
vill sorry I didn't formally introduce
myself the hop out is okay um I got my
ID no it's cool it's cool just do me a
favor and turn the key off yes sir cool
and then just you can hand that to me
yeah
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cool what's that I uh I don't want you
to grab it cuz I'm not sure what's under
there so if you don't mind I'll grab it
but if you just step back here go ahead
and face away from me yes sir step back
here keep cing towards the sound of my
voice okay take a couple steps right
here okay you all right you're putting
your hands behind your back for any
reason go ahead and put them together
okay youum what
another routine routine okay
like so just real quick I'm going to pat
you down make sure you don't have any
weapons or anything on you do you have
anything on you that I should know about
not that I'm aware of no okay cool
spread your feet for me yep
cool why would you say not that you're
aware of to use drugs or anything I use
drugs but I didn't know have ony no
what's your choice of drugs I I do math
but that's about it I don't carry n on
me math when's the last time you used
math this morning this morning okay
condoms condoms all right well I'll
leave them there that's not my deal uh
you want them in the yes ma'am okay my
name is Delany I work with the Sheriff's
Office okay go and step back for me do
you want him to just sit or in the back
of my car what do you want we going to
put you in the back of the car okay all
right I have some questions I want to
ask you okay so you are being detained
right now okay
okay cool and it's clear right there
okay what's your first and last last
name who do you live with my fiance okay
and is that Kelly and what about your
daughter um Alina she there too yeah
okay Alina yeah how old is she she's
15 is somebody with her right now um my
sister and her mom okay so an adults
with her though
yeah cool um so right now like I said
you're being
detained um we have an active
investigation going on I would like to
talk to you more obviously this is not
the right place to do it on the side of
a road so we're going to drive downtown
and and talk there okay okay um all
right all right okay do EMP Pockets
completely um yeah if you don't mind I
don't mind I
just yeah we're going to empty
everything out of your pockets right now
okay okay fine go and step back out yep
place right here where it says
Sheriff I'm going have to do a search
for on the car his phone's in the car
yeah I just
that damn dude it's a lot of condoms you
I just went to The Exchange other day oh
that's cool all
right good
all right go and just sit back in there
okay actually did I double lock those I
don't know if I did I don't know sorry
that's my
fault is there a reason why I'm being
detained like I don't know what's going
on like I said they said they have an
active investigation on you so there was
a a beyond the lookout okay that's all I
know and obviously the vehicle and
everything match so that's why and then
like I said those those infractions that
I observed okay look out okay but I
don't I I don't know but we'll figure
stuff about man I didn't know like I had
no idea what something was going on
okay okay do you guys have an Evidence
bag are those condom yeah do you want me
to have no clue what's going on okay
well we can get into that um like I said
out there my name is Delany I work with
the sheriff's office I'm a detective of
the sheriff's office in the Special
Victims Unit okay okay uh I'm conducting
investigations and and doing all of that
stuff and in the midst of that you
obviously came up in some capacity okay
okay um I want to talk to you about it
and ask you more questions and figure
out what's going on and try to we can
both kind of work together to figure out
what's going on yeah yeah okay
um so with that in mind I do want to ask
you some questions I want to figure out
how where we can go and what we can what
we can learn okay um so I'm going to
read you your rights just because you're
detained you're here you're downtown
right we're so you have the right to
remain silent anything you say can and
will be used against you in a court of
law you have the right to talk to an
attorney for advice before we ask you
any questions and to have an attorney
with you during
questioning okay okay do you understand
I
um is it okay if we we have a discussion
yeah yeah it's fine cool just before we
get started I just want to I know I
already got your information out there
but just for the record and everything I
just want to get your information here
yeah that's fine it's Sean do you work
right now no ma'am I wish you wish yeah
uh you said your father you were driving
your father-in-law's part yeah OD
question what were we doing all those
condoms in your pocket I just I went to
The Dispensary the other day and got
some needles and stuff at the exchange
and I shoved them in my pocket okay
um all right so I mean like I said
before I'm a detective with the Special
Victims Unit okay we investigate certain
types of crimes um that includes child
abuse that includes sex crimes that
includes elder abuse animal abuse things
of that sort okay within that we also
investigate internet crimes against
children okay um do you know anything
about that um I was talking to a couple
girls but then I then they found out
they're underage I stopped talking to
them like
that was about it that's that's about as
far as it went I told him I was going to
go meet him but I never like My All In
All my life my wife would kill me if I
left but I'd never actually go do it I
knew I was talking to a detective to be
honest
like what what do you mean by that when
um when I cuz I understand like whenever
I'm talking to someone online like they
they can people can freely send pictures
and stuff like that back and forth
between each other especially like if
thir of age but they wouldn't send
pictures so that's what led me to
believe that they were you know just was
like that's why I didn't go meet him or
I didn't even leave the house to be
honest like I told them I tell him yes
I'm going to go meet but I would never
leave like my wife would murder me yeah
have Kelly yeah she would she would kick
my ass like I if I all all if I if I
ever you know went to go have a child
like that i' hope I'd be arrested and
thrown in jail forever like I would
never I have a 15-year-old daughter that
I take care of that sistic and I I love
her with all my heart yeah I'm sure she
knows that you love her right oh of
course she does care of her she gets mad
she gets mad cuz I make her turn off the
computer around 10:00 yeah she doesn't
understand she doesn't understand the
world yet right no no she well she does
she could speed read she she she'll go
through a book like like that you think
that she's just you know going through
it she can tell you every word for word
where she was yeah yeah I mean like
generally kids don't really know like
they still learning right yeah yeah they
don't know whether or not they're she
she does know whether or not like the
computer staying on the computer for a
long period of time is D detrimental to
maybe like not getting enough sleep or
like school she knows she she knows in
full like she's like I call I tell her
mom that she's an evil genius that but
sometimes kids have a hard time seeing
the bigger picture right yeah yeah um so
tell me about these girls that you were
you were messaging well I met them on um
a place called m space I believe it was
I met him at cuz m space is a chat place
where you just meet random people the
chat room you know okay just going to
write moo space
down it's a chat room yes
okay and they messaged they they they
messaged me they they they messaged me
and they gave them my number and then I
didn't know that they're they underage
at first then I messaged them they said
they were underage that's kind of I got
like the the idea of what was going on
like so that's when I just I don't
really like get along with police
officers and stuff like that and like
I'll mess with people and all the time
like that but I'll never ever really go
meet a kid never ever when you said they
told you they were under age do you
remember how old they told you one said
they were they both actually they both
said they were 14 14 yes um do you
remember their names by chance not
really no no um so you met both of them
in m space yes and you started just
messaging them that them at that point
yeah just yeah I was just messaging at
that point like I was just I my most
messages were sent from my bathroom from
your bathroom yeah I was just in the
bathroom that's when I message people
and stuff like that when free time is
what were you doing in the bathroom just
hanging out just getting some space from
the family I was just dropping the bomb
like got it yeah it's just my alone time
and my free space and I get it that's
sometimes when you have a family you're
living with a bunch of people that's it
could be
stressful and I'm used to I'm not used
to this whole father thing like alen
called me Dad and yeah Kelly calls me
and her husband and it's just it's a new
world for me cuz it's being homeless for
as long as I was it's it's a big change
it is it's a massive change and the
world is today is just so crazy and oh
yeah I I would agree with that it seems
like you you're doing a good job though
you have a good house and you have
people that love you and oh I love them
to death like my father-in-law he he he
makes fun of me cuz all I I always cook
rice
and yeah yeah I I love cooking rice and
like I grow marijuana and my plans for
getting eaten by caterpillars so I had
to cut them down today and yeah yeah so
I mean going back to these These Girls
uh did they tell you pretty soon in the
chat or whatever that they were young or
um pretty much from the GetGo they told
me that they were they were young but
like they said they 14 but at first I
thought they're like to be honest with
you at first I thought they were joking
like okay well why would they be on a
chat site at like 3:00 in the morning
freaking trying to message me like
they're not underage like that's I fig
those there with me can you describe
they did they send you any pictures um
they just send me face picks that's
about it um the F we'll go with the
first one do you remember what she looks
like um not really she was there's two
there's just the one Latina girl and
then a white girl and that was all a
white girl yeah what color was their
hair um I don't really remember I don't
I didn't pay that much attention like I
just yeah yeah so they told you how old
they were and then you kind of were like
well like there there like it was really
late at night so I figured you know no
parent would let their kids stay up past
that cuz I my daughter's bedtime is like
10:30 no later than that on the weekdays
maybe she could stay up past 1200 that's
when her mom lets her stay up but then
after 12:30 she has to turn off the
computer and hand it over and then she
has to go to bed what were these girls
saying to
you well they were online looking for
friends
and I I got online and I'm I'm I'm a
little presumptuous like I I I'm I I
don't try I really don't cheat on my
wife but I I'll talk to other women and
stuff like that online but it's only
online thing I'll never go beyond that
because Kelly is she's Italian she'll
kill
me Italian jeans yeah yeah she she she's
been I know she's been watching my
messages and stuff like that like she's
been keeping a good track on me like and
I hate to say that but I know she has
like I I know when I'm being watched you
know yeah yeah um so you know really
remember what they were saying but they
were online to meet friends and yeah and
they they got a hold of me they messaged
me first and like then I gave them my
number and then like they pretty much
they came on to me first I wouldn't go
looking for trouble you know what I mean
yeah um when you say looking for like
they came on to you what does that mean
cuz when I'm on Mile space I'm pretty
much put like is are there any girls out
there that are DTF or anything like that
like DTF down to F oh okay and like
that's the only thing like I'm normally
higher than hell I do something like
that it's really stupid but I'll never
actually act on it cuz I'm too paranoid
to leave my home yeah yeah um so they
they contacted you you contacted them
you gave them your phone number was it
the same phone number you started
messaging and texting them on that how
long did you guys message for not too
much just like the two days was the
longest I talked to him and then after
that I just I blocked one and then I I
was planning on blocking the other one
but they always stop messaging each
other and at any point you had mentioned
earlier like you would never go meet up
or like you told them you were going to
meet up yeah but I never left my home
like I was in the bathroom how did you
tell them you were going to meet up I
was me driving the car and did did they
give you somewhere to meet yeah they
give me an address and everything to go
meet them and then I tell them okay yeah
I'll be right there and then like I'll
never show up do you remember where the
addresses were no chance no it's my
phone like it's still in your phone yeah
okay um so they told you they were
14 and you understand 14's a kid right
yes ma' yeah but I didn't really think
they were at actually that age you know
like cuz there was like it was I I
messaged them like 2 3:00 in the morning
every time like did they tell you
anything that maybe you would make you
think that they weren't
14 well the fact that they were up at
3:00 in the morning get that giveway you
know
yeah um and what else what other things
did they say what to them giving an
address um they wanted well one wanted
me to come take her virginity and I was
like
like that would never happen like but I
told him yeah I'll be right there and
like me and my wife went and got
slushies then okay so someone said that
they wanted you to take their V
virginity and them yes I'll be right
there like you would come to their house
yes I told him I'd be there yeah i'
never showed up I was with my wife you
with your wife yeah me and my wife
hardly ever leave each other's side ever
okay um and then did they like what led
up to the virginity talk I honestly like
was I asked him like what are you
looking for on here and one got mad at
me she's like well I'm not looking to
have friends I'm just like I was like
okay well GE um okay and then that's
pretty much like the only last time I
messed that one and then the other one
was like well yeah I I've been wondering
what it was like and what was what it
feel like and like okay well I'll teach
you and and then like that was the last
time I talked to her oh you told her you
would teach her yeah but then I stopped
talking to her so yeah um how often do
you meet people online oh I meet people
all the time online what about in person
in person never never never
Noe um so you just messaged them yeah I
just m my phone it's just messages yeah
I have hundreds and thousands of
messages on my phone like like I don't
erase my stuff like what other places
other than moco space do you use moco
space y99 there's um Badu there's Moco I
mean um meet me then there's um there's
so many more other sites like there's
just so many sites to meet on okay and
so typically when you meet these people
what is like your intention just mainly
just to talk like I don't never really
fully intend on leaving my home like I I
honestly just just for online chatter
pretty much if you if you don't intend
to leave your home um you ask them if
they're down to [ __ ] is what you said
yeah but my wife would think would she
would get on to me right away if I tried
leaving that late at night or somewhere
you know yeah so do you say it to to
kind of like get a rise out of people
yeah to floor online yeah just just a
fous thing it's just a online thing I'll
never actually buy into or do it like
I'm not that kind of person M like and
honestly if I met a 14-year-old little
girl I'd have to hang myself have you
have you ever had a relationship with a
kid no ma'am no no have you ever met
somebody that was you thought maybe was
an adult but ended up being a kid my my
actually my first first first girlfriend
ever I was 18 and like guess she was
like 13 or something like that I didn't
know at the time okay and that's what
broke up that's what her name was
Patricia and that was long long long
long time ago yeah yeah that was a very
long time ago but you're like 36 I'm
going to be 37 yeah yeah so um that was
when I was like 18 years old though that
was a long time ago yeah okay so she
said there was a Latina girl and a white
girl M tell me about your conversation
specifically with the Latina girl
pretty much she just um she she wanted
me to take her and I told her okay yeah
I will but I I was like I said I was I'm
in the bathroom when I'm sending these
messages and stuff like that like my
intention is I'm just like messing with
people like online like I'll never
actually do it like I'm not that
courageous I'm not that kind of person
like I'll never actually go meet someone
to go do that like I met Kelly and
that's
like me going being with Kelly was
stressful cuz I was with a girl named
Nikki at that time and Nikki was going
to see her ex-boyfriend at that time
like I wasn't allowed to go over to his
house for some reason which was weird so
I figured you know I might as well just
stay with Kelly and then I started
getting Kelly and then after that it's
just like she's been so good to me like
yeah tell me about what the white girl
said oh the white girl she was the one
that got mad at me CU freaking she said
she didn't want just be just friends
like cuz I told her I was like look
there's crazy people out there that
there's murderers and stuff on mine like
that like that'll hurt you like I was
like I could be your friend but like
that's about as far as it'll go like you
don't remember like you can't describe
their faces at all no um you said that
you told me that they sent you pictures
of like selfie pictures yeah just a
couple selfie pictures that's they're
still on my phone yeah did you send them
any pictures it's just one where I'm
looking up in the phone like that that's
about it um can you just just describe
that picture like up in the phone yeah
I'm was wearing a black shirt
and looking up like that just picture
Okay um where are you when you took that
picture in the
bathroom did you send any other like
selfies back to them nothing no I was
una aware
of there may be one where um the I might
have sent a one um a penis picture the
one girl cuz um I knew at that time cuz
I even said in I said in the the video
that um you know I'm okay cop I even
called him a cop and then I sent him the
picture after that immediately CU I like
I don't get along with cops very well
like I really don't like I don't
understand it it's a thing for me yeah
when I know I'm being messed with all
mess with people like mhm have you had a
bad experience at the cop a couple times
yeah I'm sorry about that so you sent
the penis picture just tell me about
that well I was like I said I was higher
than the hell I did and I shouldn't have
done it but but I knew at that point I
was messaging a cop at that time and I I
will send Boulder things to police cops
or anything like that cuz I I don't get
along with them because I've never had a
good experience with them
honestly like I've been always been
either bullied or picked on when I was
younger and then being bullied and
picked on when I'm older is like there's
nothing you could do about it you know
um how did you know they were a
cop because when um when you're a minor
and you're not able to send pics and
stuff like that but you're wanting to
have sex with the person that kind of
like says it all right there like
they're trying that's just like kind an
entrapment like they like they like they
they say they say that they want you and
they want to be with you and like when
someone tell like anybody like gets
flirt on like that like they're going to
you know reply to it you know like in
all honesty like that's all I was do
doing was just replying I'd never
actually go and do it cuz my wife
wouldn't like I never leave my wife's
side so you said when they want to have
sex with you is that what they said they
said yeah they want me to take their
virginity yeah did you tell them that
you wanted to have sex with them yeah I
did but that that that was because I I
pretty much knew at that time you knew
at that time yeah I pretty much knew at
that time it wasn't going to really
happen in like I'd never really actually
[ __ ] going to have kid I I promise
you that I never would which one did you
think was a cop both of them oh you
thought both of them were mhm what what
made you think that that well when I I
told him to send me a pick I send me any
kind of pick like besides just a selfie
like and they wouldn't do it it's like
okay well that's a cop do you did it
ever maybe register that maybe they were
scared to take send pictures if I mean
they're online and they're they are kids
well they're on a chat site I mean
they're on a a meet you site like a chat
pretty much for meeting people so yeah
yeah so you just expect people to send
pictures just because everybody's out
there meeting people yeah that's pretty
much what I figured I mean every's on
like if I met them on a chat site that's
for adults I mean I figure you know MH
did you ask them to send any pictures
yeah I asked them but they didn't they
didn't reply and I was like okay well
that's when I said um I need something
to I need some kind of to believe that
you're not a cop and then if they
weren't if they said that they weren't a
cop and they did send you a need photo
back and it was a kid what would you
have done I would have showed my baby
and I would have [ __ ] told her look
talk to this person like I would like I
don't let anything go by my wife my wife
like I said she's watching all my
messages on my phone so she knew that
you were potentially
talking to a kid online she talking I'd
never go meet him though she know my
wife knows she's very comfortable with
me like I take my daughter to school
every day like I would never freaking
she's my stepdaughter and she's she hits
on everybody that has a pulse and like
it's bad I tell her about that and she's
very she's too too trustworthy she's not
aware of the dangers and stuff like that
and that kind of thing like you could
even ask her teachers like you said that
you shouldn't have done you shouldn't
have sent a picture of your penis to
these who you thought were girls I mean
who told you that they were 14 years old
or at least juveniles right yeah I
shouldn't have done that I why shouldn't
you have done that cuz it's not right
like it's it's just not something that
you should do with a 14-year-old like
but at that point I knew I was talking
to a c like did they tell you they were
cops no no no and they said you don't
have to mess with me you don't want to
BL like okay fine I won't so I pretty
much stop Ming them like other than the
fact that they can't or they wouldn't
send pictures back what else made you
think that they were cops just the way
that they're talking in the time just
the time like a 3:00 in the morning yeah
no parent in their right mind would make
their kids let their kids be up at 3:00
in the
morning so my name I work with the
lady I wanted to talk to you a little
bit more about what you said okay okay
um so I've been listening to the
interview so I'm not going to go through
everything again to certain things okay
um you have a bunch of different social
media you were
telling you said m m space um meet me um
but
do pretty much if it's a mainstream you
know free chat I you know social media
I'll be on it okay what's your username
on local space um and I know you reached
out first well I didn't know she was
that age I mean right and that's fine
and then you you guys started talking
and you guys moved to text message
pretty quickly yeah
um and then in the text
messages it's it's pretty quickly that
you're told she's 13 years old I thought
she was 14 I thought they're both 14 I'm
sorry
uh and I'm going to start with the the
white one okay she told you that she was
almost 14 that she's
and then do you remember how you
responded to that message I don't okay
right away uh and I'll I'll bring I'll
show you the text messages okay just so
we're all on the same page here if I
move your
water
so uh this number right here 445 so then
she says almost 14 and say you say nice
oh that's I'm pretty sure that's when I
know I was pretty sure I was talking to
a cop
because
yeah
okay um that's why I said can I see the
picture that's when I was pretty that's
when I was pretty sure okay uh so then
these are all these messages are the
ones you sent yes ma'am and so you said
in the the
text uh sorry in to her earlier that you
didn't believe that they were actually
14 so that's why you sent those messages
yes do you understand that
if if they're real juveniles you're
asking them to manufacture not know that
like I didn't I in my heart of hearts
like I knew that it was no fortuny old
like I knew I wasn't talking cuz the
times that I was talking like I I'm
pretty sure like and I know I was
talking to a cop like I'm I'm sorry I'm
so so sorry and i' never so you don't
even bring up that you think it's a cop
until way
later yeah I know and um and all this
time you're saying all this different
sexual stuff um and how you don't need
condoms cuz you're
sterile um I I would never really go and
i' would never leave the house without
without my wife I never hardly ever do
like this is the first time she's let me
go anywhere in the car to go
anywhere like you can ask Kelly Kelly
will tell you everything like I've never
and I'll let you know uh Kelly's your
fiance right yes ma'am we will be going
and talking to Kelly after this that's
fine um and he said Kelly knows that
you're chatting to a lot of people
online I have a feeling that she's been
watching my messages lately like I I I
know she's has been cuz the way she acts
like
well it just it's just the way she acts
you can tell whenever you know someone
someone's been watching you you know
okay does
she know that you talk to people in a
sexual manner online yes and she's okay
with that no she doesn't like the fact
that I talk to people it's inter
sexually online and she gets upset at me
but she knows for the fact i' never
really act on it like I never really
she'll tell you herself I never really
act on it
okay um it's just mainly just for fun
online chat that's all it is like I'd
never really go and do anything like
that so I just wanted to make sure I had
some my facts right because I I want to
make sure I'm being honest with you and
not saying the wrong thing okay um so
when you were talking with the
Latina after she told you she was
13 um
I I see that you did say oh I didn't
know you were 13 don't message me
anymore
um be careful I have a 15-year-old
daughter and
then she says okay well your chats were
a little confusing do you want to keep
talking or not and you say no no we can
chat I'm just nervous talking to a
13-year-old
um and then you continued with the
sexual conversation at that point I was
pretty sure I was talking to cop or
something you know there someone I
figured cuz and at that point I figured
I was talking to a cop and I was just
you know messing around that from that
point on like but I'm I'm I I'm
realizing that that was probably a
stupid thing to do and
like I'm so scared right now I just want
to go home
like I'll never like touch a phone again
after this
like I can promise you that much I'll
never get on my phone
again and then as I was going through
them I I do see a bunch of the time
stamps and stuff I don't see any
messages where she sent you texts at
3:00 a.m. um I see you texted at 3:00
a.m. but I don't see that there was a
response
um like you had said earlier yeah there
was a text
um my my my time is my I said I do a lot
of math and I stay up from time to time
and I get my times confused and all that
good stuff but like I I know like you
can tell when you're talking to an adult
cuz the spelling is way too good and
like all that stuff like I don't I I
know it was a mistake and I I you don't
ever have to worry about me doing
anything like that again like I said I'm
breaking my phone or you guys can keep
it like I don't want it no more like I'm
never going to get on a device again
like it shouldn't have been that like
like I said you'll never have to worry
about me getting on my phone again like
you guys can have
it like I don't want it no more like all
I want to do was just go home and be
with my my my bab and just want to go it
down with her and that's about
it my favorite place all to be is right
next door her arms so
so realistically though yes what do you
think should happen to somebody that
talks to Children online should be
locked up
forever questions I'll let you know you
are going to jail today I
yes you are charged with uh Sol
solitation child solicitation by
electronic communication device
I so you are going to ja okay what about
my my um my invasion of privacy like
what's what's about that
like isn't isn't invasion of privacy a
thing like don't
like I have I have my rights to like I
have rights and beliefs far as what
rights are you talking about right now
my invasion of privacy you guys invaded
my privacy you guys gotten into my phone
you guys invaded my privacy you guys
gotten my personal space and everything
like that we
have you you have you have pictures and
stuff my my text and stuff that's an
invasion of my privacy I have the
messages that you sent yes I did not get
them from your phone okay my warrant is
being AA to get into your phone yeah you
don't have to have one you you can have
a phone I'll use the password and
everything like I don't really want the
warrant that's fine but a judge does
require us because it is a criminal
investigation to obtain a warrant um so
a warrant is being sent over to a judge
okay um so there there wasn't any
information of your privacy nobody went
into your phone and got these
messages we are working on obtaining
them through the judge but right now
nobody's Spa in your phone we got them
from the other side yeah the other
person you were talking to
okay get my phone again you guys can
keep
it again that doesn't change what's
happening tonight you have any questions
tonight no ma'am is it just for tonight
like you have to be Sav before a judge
before you will get released
okay so I'm going to have the deputy
come in okay and you're going to go to
jail okay okay
so
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