Well, why are you pulling me over? Cuz you're following me too closely. Nearly ran into me. No, I did not. You slammed on your brakes. You had no brake You had no turn signal or nothing. All right, I turned around on the car that was speeding. I'm doing my job out here, sir. Give me your license. You hit me. Don't worry. Don't worry. I'll kill you. In this encounter, a driver is stopped after a trooper claims he was following too closely. Under the Fourth Amendment, a stop requires a reasonable suspicion of a traffic violation. The driver disputes the claim and accuses the officer of causing a collision, turning the stop into a conflict over facts, authority, and whether the officer can lawfully justify both the stop and the arrest. 16 North Springs. Going to send one of the normal units over here to the uh shoe factory. Had a car slam on his brakes in front of me. 10-4. 10-9. License, registration, insurance, sir. Yes, sir. You know you hit me, right, officer? Well, why are you pulling me over? Cuz you're following me too closely. Nearly ran into me. No, I did not. You slammed on your brakes. You had no brake You had no turn signal or nothing. All right, I turned around on the car that was speeding. I'm doing my job out here, sir. Give me your license. You hit me. Don't worry. Don't worry. I'll kill you. At this point, the justification for the stop is clearly stated as following too closely. Under the Fourth Amendment, that claim must be based on observable facts, not assumptions or post-incident explanations. 16 North Springs. Had a car following me too closely. Nearly ran into me. Turned around. Got behind it and it slammed on the brakes in front of me. I was unable to stop. I have a 10-38 between my own and his vehicle. No damage. You're just dodging out here, too. Take out and look at my car. All right, 16 in the car for right now. We're on a traffic stop right now. Okay. All right. We're on a traffic stop right now. I want to see the damage done to my car. >> Give me a minute. We're on a traffic stop right now. Once I get done with my traffic stop for following too closely. >> not following too closely. Clearly [laughter] you were. You hit me. You stopped in the middle of the roadway, sir. No, you I didn't stop. I got over and I was I was in the lane trying to speed back up. No, I was trying to speed back up. Okay, sir. >> on your gas and you hit us. >> Okay. So, okay. Well, I'm sorry. I told you why I stopped you cuz you were following me too closely. Okay. We'll see in court. >> Okay. Do you have an ID on you, ma'am? I sure do. You don't need her ID. Yes, I do, actually, for the accident report that you so that you so want, sir. Yes, I do want it. >> Okay. You hit him. There's no damage between our vehicles, though. I don't give a bro, you Get out. GET OUT. OKAY. GET OUT. OKAY, I'M getting out of the car. I'm getting out. There's no need for that. Why are YOU DOING THIS? YOU'RE UNDER arrest for disorderly conduct, sir. An arrest for disorderly conduct must be supported by clear statutory elements. Verbal disagreement alone is generally protected under the First Amendment unless it crosses into legally defined conduct. I called you dad. There's no need for that. There's no need for cussing. There's no need for cussing. Stand up. I'm trying. Okay. Come on. Take a seat. UNTIL YOU CAN CALM DOWN. MA'AM. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR CUSSING ME OUT. Until he can calm down and act like an adult he's going to sit in the back of the car. I have severe PTSD. The fear Thank you, disabled veteran. AND HE IS LUCKY. THAT'S WHY I YOU GUYS TALK You're going to talk to me You don't let me talk or you're trying to interrupt me the entire time, ma'am. I'm sorry. Okay. Until he can calm down and act like a human being and stop cussing me out for no reason. The officer repeatedly references behavior rather than a specific criminal act. The distinction matters as lawful arrest requires more than subjective interpretation. So, I'm trying to explain to him what happened. But he doesn't want to let me talk. So, do you want to let me talk or not? Okay. Now. 16 North Springs. I got disorderly subject. You going to calm down or not? Yeah, cuz this is the biggest lie you're ever going to face. I want your badge number. I want your name written out for me. Stand by. I have one. I have a 211 211. 10-16. Go ahead, sir. Show 10-38 is on the way out there. 10-4, sir. I'm 10-50. I have a 10-12 that's being disorderly with me. I'll be in disorderly. >> And I'm trying to get everything calmed down at this point, sir. Give me your license and you're on your way. We'll be on our way. Yeah, well, this is 10-15. Coming under the bypass right now. I'm almost to you. 10-4, sir. Okay, sir. You going to calm down or you going to continue cussing me out for no reason? You going to I'm asking you a simple question, sir. You going to calm down? That's all I want. Okay. Well, I'm trying to ask you a simple question. Okay. Well, you going to continue cussing me out or not? Cuz I was that and you're going to say sure, then I'm not going to have you sit out here and cuss at me for no reason. There's no fit to You're not incriminating yourself, sir. I'm just trying to ask you a simple question. So, you're going to cuss me out the entire time? Okay. Okay. I just want him I'm trying to get him calmed down. But he doesn't want to He wants to continue yelling at me for no reason, okay? But there's still no There's no reason for him to yell at me. I I understand he has PTSD. I have a lot of military friends that PTSD and they don't just yell at people for no reason. And so, I don't know what his malicious If he has malicious intent or not. I have We have a lot of instances Ma'am, I need you to calm down. There's I'm fine. I just always when I cry, I do this. I'm fine. Well, yeah. I don't know if he has malicious intent. He's over here yelling and cussing me. Now, I'm just trying to get his information and he wants to start yelling and stop in the middle of the road for no reason. He was freaking out because you hit our car. That's why he was upset with because you hit us. He wasn't He wasn't meaning any harm. That's how he responds. He was upset. That's how he communicates. He got in the backseat. He started cussing me out and I had to try try to have him calm down back here. Everything's good to go. Yeah. He just wants to yell and cuss me for no reason, so I got him out and put the handcuffs on him. So, you're good? Yeah. Okay. I was coming this way. It was I saw him riding my butt. I didn't really care. Car talked to him going 60. I'm on overtime. Turned around. When I went to turn around, he slammed Yeah. Um He I had to turn around. I don't slam on brakes or anything. I hit my brakes to turn around. I knew he was riding my butt. So, he turned around. Yeah. Um Turned around and When I turned around, he starts laying on his horn. So, I was like, "Okay. So, you want to lay on your horn? I'll just pull you over for following too closely." So, when I turned around, I turned back around to come behind he moved straight over from the inside lane to the outside lane. Went straight over and just slammed on the brakes. And I'm just trying to get behind him and he slams on his brakes. And I didn't have my lights on at that point, but he just stopped in the middle of the road. And I hit him right there. So, it's damage between the vehicles. What is it? See where the dust is gone? Just it moved some dust. What about your part? Did Did you hit you in the back in the roof? Okay, I heard I heard someone was following me too close. Yeah, I know. He didn't I hit him. So, you hit him? Yeah. When he When I turned around pulled him over, he just slammed on his brakes right in front of my wife's sirens. And I couldn't stop in time. Have you got my Yeah, I got her driver's license. Need to talk to her. Sir, I was trying to I can't deal with you now. Here it is. Any further Bye. Hello. Everything you need is four now. Anybody else in this place will go down. You can talk to him. Get him out. Get >> Get get well just get get my stuff and I'll talk to him. Yeah. Just act like you want to. >> Yeah. What happened? What? What happened? What? No, he's hitting. He's stopping the middle of the You don't need any more fuel. No, so come get your weapon. Was I would not call the sheriff the other night cuz he got killed in the line of duty. Where are you headed to? The manager couldn't drive down by the dispatcher. He asked if they were open yet. We never either would have ever been in any of that. I'm pretty tall for my age. I didn't want to spray my friend. What that told everybody and whatever you do to the train tell me. Yeah, I I really filmed him and I want his name and his badge number. Hold on one second. Look. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But it does not at all matter only I can steal anything. Oh. God bless you. I can't believe I'm doing anything. He started cussing and everything. I was like no point that he does call me. You know what? You're going to call me that number. What did he do? I was going up down the hill following behind me. I noticed he was real close cuz I couldn't see his headlights. >> Not too good. And so and I didn't really think that didn't really care about it. I'm working overtime for our cops in the 60 right here. I turn around. I turn around he just lays on his horn. I'm like okay. Well, you want my attention I'll pull you over for being too close. I just put right back around while I was right back around he's moving from the inside lane to the outside lane slamming on his brakes. And I was turn around that cuz I thought that was all. Sounds about the same type of deal that you ran into. You said he's going to sue and wants your badge number. I'll give Okay. You got the first front door. Look, baby. You see these cars? You see the lights? You see the barking? That's that's okay. Like that. Our key counters are legal and we're going after the guy. >> not like that. It doesn't make any difference. And what you did slamming on your brakes. >> on my brakes. That's his word. That's not mine and my wife's. That's fine. I didn't slam on my brakes, so We'll see. I'll give Call me a bigot. Well, he didn't call me for recording for the one minute. Well, it don't matter. It don't have to. Are you one of these black people that you're going to provoke the police? >> No, I'm not trying to. It sounds like you know them. This encounter centers on two key principles. Under the Fourth Amendment, a stop requires reasonable suspicion based on clear facts. An arrest, especially for disorderly conduct, must be based on specific unlawful behavior, not mere disagreement. The officer's statements show inconsistencies about the stop and collision raising constitutional concerns and highlighting the importance of knowing and discerning your rights.